The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

[Northermcharn]

I read this quote and it encapsulates exactly how I feel

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

*the quote is from John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten. He's deliberately provocative in lots of ways, but he meant this one. I fully expect some people to come on the thread to tell us all how he's a horror and said he likes Donald Trump. That would be them missing the point.. but.. Let Them..

'The left' as you put it, haven't been shaming people enough. If you know anybody who voted Reform or intends to vote Reform in the future you need to call them out in public, make them explain themselves to society/their friends/colleagues etc. Make them a pariah in society. They'll get the message soon enough.

It's a totally different culture though they have always been individualistic and motivated by money over say employment rights, it is a culture based upon consumption and entertainment. I don't think there's a cultural drive to emulate that or it would have happened. For example, having 12 weeks of unpaid statutory maternity leave is not something to be impressed by. Having what 2 weeks holiday or such like sounds awful.

And sanctimonious clueless far left Mumsnetters are still calling people names and sticking their fingers in their ears shouting wah wah wah.

And Reform voters who confuse local elections with a general election are better?

Who exactly does have their interests at heart? I don’t disagree on Farage and Reform, but I do understand why many ordinary working class people are so disillusioned with Labour.

Reform and Restore voters are in the majority. Screaming abuse at them, bullying them, attempting to terrorise them into submission won't work this time.

You will find yourself becoming a laughing stock and pariah if you try.

You just invented a scenario in an attempt to slur people who voted in a way you disagree with. You're either very, very stupid, or have simply indulged yourself in venomous, thoughtless hatred for so long you actually cannot understand simple facts anymore. Or both.

You’re very naive. There are many trying to sway political views and that spreads to the media and social media, including bots set up for the sole purpose. Mn will be a tool they use to reach a specific group of people, X, Facebook etc will be others.

75% of people didn’t vote - just to give some helpful context. General election will likely look quite different.

A 30% total vote share of an average 30% turnout isn't a majority.

Yup. They're genuinely happy they elected Trump, and JD Vance is almost definitely going to be the next President. Not that you'd ever hear this reality on Mumsnet 😂

Restore and Reform aren't in the majority. Reform won the most seats compared to any other party (although not control of the most councils), but the majority of the electorate who turned out on Thusday didn't vote for them.

If Thursday's results were repeated in a GE, Reform wouldn't win a majority.

Just keep swallowing the copium. I am embarrassed for you, and I pity you. The future is centrist, the left are done for now, and you will spend the next few years screaming and weeping.

I won't check back, radicalised far leftists having tantrums is amusing, but you are incapable of learning or responding rationally, which does become boring very quickly.

Goodbye. Good luck. You are going to need it.

They most certainly are not. They are about 50% of the white English electorate and are getting smaller and smaller with each passing day (because most of them are above 50).

Society absolutely can afford to reject them, and it will.

I won't check back

Why not? Don't you like the facts?

'Blue Collar workers' is an American term and is not used in the UK.

Reform's entire personality is self victimisation, provocation and demonisation.
They lose they do more of it.
They win they do more of it.
It's all they have.

It's going to make actually having some power, having to deliver results and having to be the person they're normally angry with very interesting.

I think some are journalists, some are politicos from the various political parties. Anyone can join Mumsnet and worth remembering that.

My own take on Labour presently is that they are doomed. Especially if they think Harriet Harman and Gordon Brown are going to save them.
The man hasn’t lost the plot. I am not sure he had a plot in the first place. Which is entirely the problem.

'The left' as you put it, haven't been shaming people enough. If you know anybody who voted Reform or intends to vote Reform in the future you need to call them out in public, make them explain themselves to society/their friends/colleagues etc. Make them a pariah in society. They'll get the message soon enough.

@InstantlyBella The former East Germany did this. The Stasi forced large numbers of citizens to inform on their friends and neighbours, using various means such as threatening to take away a son or daughter’s place at medical school etc. Anyone critical of the government was cancelled.
Do you really want society run like this?
in UK at the moment there is still the secret ballot. Do you think how people vote should be made public?

Quite. I just can’t fathom it unless it’s to create a distraction.

I think the difference is that the right are overly focused on the wrong 1% (migrants) and not the 1% we should really be angry at (billionaires) funnily enough these billionaires own the papers and media that is convincing you all that migrants are the problem...

It's rasism disguised as patriarchy.

Apart from their stance on immigration can someone please explain what policies you liked of reform? Was it the abolishion of the equalities act? The privatisation of the nhs? Or was it the idea of having an 'ice' type establishment that will send anyone non British home wether they have the right to be here or not? What's reforms stance on isreal/gaza?

Because all I have heard from anyone on the right recently is 'stop the boats' the boats that have got worse because of brexit. Remember brexit? When farage printed a LIE on a bus about how it will help the NHS? Has brexit helped the NHS? Wheres all this extra money they promised from brexit? All I can see is spiralling living costs and over run boarders.

So as a middle class, hard working, tax paying, mixed herritage woman I find it difficult to vote for a party that seems to dislike anyone who isn't a white british man.

The left parties aren't great either, there is no right party to vote for at the moment, as the system is broken.

But let's all try to not be rasict, sexist or fascist towards eachother. Lets not try to insult others intelligence because they have different morals and ideas about what they want from the government.

You get arseholes on the right, and arseholes on the left... thats just humans

Or - there has been a massive swing towards populism supported by lots and lots of money and deliberate media and social media manipulation. That - as has always been the case - parts of the left are disorganised and often fighting each other.

It does not make fascism cool. And I would raise an eyebrow at anyone who thinks they are being cool supporting right wing bigots on the make.

That does not mean you cannot be critical of how parts of the left have conducted themselves.

There is an in between that does not mean lurching wildly from one kind of authoritarianism to another.

Oh I see we’re in the “Reform surges don’t matter bla bla only this percentage of the electorate voted” stage of denial here. Who is going to save the day? Labour? The Greens?

This. And also hates any white straight men who do not confirm to a very specific vision of masculinity (that generally hates women).

I do not think so. I think people absolutely need to look at why people are voting Reform. And perhaps instead of pandering to right wing narratives do something about the issues impacting many people. Incidentally very little to do with immigration.