The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

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I read this quote and it encapsulates exactly how I feel

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

*the quote is from John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten. He's deliberately provocative in lots of ways, but he meant this one. I fully expect some people to come on the thread to tell us all how he's a horror and said he likes Donald Trump. That would be them missing the point.. but.. Let Them..

I woulnt pay much attention to the opinions of Mr Lydon - an elderly millionaire from a manufactured pop band.

I'm very familiar with Peterson's work, thanks. I don't want to over share but let's say I have a professional interest.

He's a misogynistic, racist nutjob.

The idea that we shouldn't call out hatred for what it is, because if we do, it drives people to the far right, is what's poisoning the well. Nothing else.

I agree, I remember arguing the same point about Nick Griffin when he appeared on Question Time. Everyone was up in arms and I argued for free speech and let them stand up to some scrutiny/shine a light on to their actual views. He was utterly embarrassing and pretty much shrunk from the limelight after that.

I am left, I am also GC, I don't think the two are mutually exclusive and I don't think people should take this one issue and be radicalised into thinking that the right will offer some safe haven for women. The right do not care about women and girls.

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Mogg refers to the electorate as 'pot plants'.

Who even is the working class anymore? It's a definition that no longer makes any sense. People who ' don't own the means of production' so Civil servants, doctors, council workers- in other words people with degrees, but not self employed builders, plumbers, shop owners etc? What about people who don't work- the long term unemployed, the benefit class? Are they 'working class'?

None of those people have ever used that word, at least not on the record and Cameron never said it to a policeman.

I am no fan of the Tories. But you are just making things up.

The Benefits class is certainly not working class.

Working class is now also know as alarm clock class. Blue collar workers mostly not dependent on benefits.

What I think is embarrassing is that the country has been swayed by social media soundbites and the media. It's like a covert operation in mind control. The vitriol spat at Keir Starmer is mind boggling, he's done a fair bit to reduce poverty and improve workers rights in the relatively short term.

He's hated more than Boris who literally partied while people were locked in their home and people died and Liz Truss who tanked the economy. He's hated more than Farage and Tice who have been quite clear on their views about the disabled, SEN children, and have endorsed candidates who are actual racists to stand up as councillors.

Mitchell did though.

'Plebgate' row: Timeline https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24548645

You are aware that a lot of benefits claimants are for UC to top up their wages. They are the alarm clock blue collar workers that you speak of.

Unemployment is increasing.

Go back and read the post. You might understand it better.

As an older white man with a misogynist, anti abortion bent Lydon is precisely the right's target market.

He famously once said to a woman he was on a TV show with " SHUT UP. Whoever you are, shut up. Now LISTEN, when a MAN is talking, do not interrupt".

Not very punk at all.

Oh look another ‘let’s bash the left’ thread by a Reform voter. I count 3 I’ve seen in 10 minutes!

I am left, I am also GC, I don't think the two are mutually exclusive and I don't think people should take this one issue and be radicalised into thinking that the right will offer some safe haven for women. The right do not care about women and girls.
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive, or they shouldn't be. The new identitarian Left is not ' Left' at all in the traditional sense. It has become authoritarian, in that it believes that some people have the right to trample over the rights of others because they are one of the 'chosen' oppressed. Gay people wanted equal rights with straight people. They did not want to take away the rights of straight people. Women wanted equal rights with men. Not to take away the rights of men. Ethnic groups wanted to be treated the same as White people etc. That is what I felt was the traditional Left. This has been taken over by very loud authoritarians who say that if you're of an oppressed ( decided by them) minority anything you do is fine because you are oppressed, so the rights of the people you trample over aren't that important- so women, gay people ( particularly Lesbians), Jewish people. The Right don't care about women either, that may be true. But the chances of them getting women back into the home when it would collapse the economy is miniscule. The chances of a Labour/ Green coalition completely erasing any reference to biological women and making a nonsense of sex based protections is high.

I have read it. It's fine if you can't answer, but saying that the 'right is not unreasonable insisting employment legislation that actually leads to higher unemployment' without actually being able to point to that legislation is just disingenuous and fairly typical of the soundbites that the right is relying on to sway the masses.

How many are working full time and how many are choosing to work part time and receive UC top ups? If they were on a full time minimum wage they would not be eligible for UC.

But they haven't explicitly said they'd protect abortion rights, they do want to repeal protections for women and girls in the equality act. They have consistently voted against legislation that would prevent sexual harm and violence against women and girls. Most of labour isn't radical left anymore, it's centrist slightly left.

far left and far right is no longer popular
they are all trying to appeal

It’s a strange syndrome the right have. They’re perfectly happy to dish out insults but the second anyone returns the favour they suddenly become poor little victims of unbearable elitist persecution.

The reality is a huge amount of right-wing politics is built entirely on emotion over evidence. Especially on immigration, the defining obsession of the British right for the last decade.

You were told Brexit would “take back control”. Net migration went up. You were promised borders would be secured. They weren’t. You were promised hotels would close. More opened. And despite all of that, you repeatedly elected the exact same people responsible for the policies you claim to hate.

Now many of those same voters are backing a party containing not one, not two, not three, but eleven (11) former Tory cabinet ministers, including a former Home Secretary and a former Immigration Minister (who literally boasted about opening migrant hotels) simply because the branding changed and the slogans got angrier.

And then they act shocked when people conclude that maybe the issue isn’t that everyone else is “out of touch”, but that a large chunk of the electorate, that keeps voting based on vibes, slogans and culture war grievance instead of outcomes, are, in fact, racist, thick and stupid.

They may be working part time, but a lot of those people will be women and disabled people, and there are many reasons why people work part time. Young children with no support with the cost of childcare being so high, ill health meaning the only way they can contribute to society is through party time work etc.

Given the right did well on Thursday, one has to wonder why they are all so angry here on MN. Go out and celebrate your wins!

Absolutely.

People here talk about "anti establishment" but what does that actually mean? Look at the bigger picture people: the billionaire class. THAT is the REAL establishment, a global cabal of influencers behind the scenes, feeding into institutions in every country causing global instability to serve their own secret purposes.

Farage is a servant of this billionaire class. He is not a member of, or a supporter of, the working class. He pulls a pint, wears a flat cap and the WC cheer, 'oh look, he's just like us'. He is a liar, a master manipulator. And people fall for it, thinking he's "anti-establishment"??!!! In the meantime his policies actively propose to take away their rights. It seems that Reform supporters don't actually read their blooming policies or look at the way their members are actively voting against them having more rights. It's all immigrashun, immigrashun, immigrashun, for the easily distracted.

Cognitive dissonance from the right is a real thing, since when do stock brokers and the upper classes have their interests at hand? They NEVER have. Especially those that take backhanders from billionaires.

Yep. There's no lefty socialist like a privileged insulated bubble lefty socialist. Mumsnet is clueless central, always has been.

Reform secured more than 1,350 seats. A totally gobsmacking victory. Labour were utterly crushed and lost more than 1300 seats. The two party system that has existed for so long none of us can recall it not existing has been upended. A totally new paradigm now exists.

And sanctimonious clueless far left Mumsnetters are still calling people names and sticking their fingers in their ears shouting wah wah wah.

still calling people names

You have just called lefty mumsnetters plenty of names

As per my pp, why are you so angry? It is Sunday, if you aren't working today, have a little celebration of some kind.