The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

[Northermcharn]

I read this quote and it encapsulates exactly how I feel

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

*the quote is from John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten. He's deliberately provocative in lots of ways, but he meant this one. I fully expect some people to come on the thread to tell us all how he's a horror and said he likes Donald Trump. That would be them missing the point.. but.. Let Them..

Why don’t I stop speaking to my own mother because she likes Nigel Farage?

We’re talking about different backgrounds. My mother couldn’t read a book about Anglo Saxon Heritage, she gets me to proof-read her important emails. She has functional literacy and that’s about it.

If a member of my family committed a racist crime, then they’d be cut off. While they’re still saying words, that to be clear don’t incite violence, I’m of the view we’re all entitled to an opinion.

Freedom of speech does work both ways.

I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions, I hope I have not been too probing and made it look an interrogation! 😲

That said I think I understand the situation a little better. Perhaps if working class people were a touch more ruthless in policing the intolerable behaviour of their peers, then it would go a long way towards improving sentiment towards parties that hold their interests more favourably like the Greens.

Perhaps if working class people were a touch more ruthless in policing the intolerable behaviour of their peers, then it would go a long way towards improving sentiment towards parties that hold their interests more favourably like the Greens.

Yes, that’s true. I think the best way of doing this is if there is any suspicions that family, neighbours and friends may be right wing, then install secret surveillance and recording equipment. This will be quite easy - I mean, look how well East Germany and other Soviet states managed with far less sophisticated technology - and then a group of volunteers can man the listening-in stations.
That way, right wingers can be identified and publicly shamed and punished by losing their jobs, having children removed and so on.

Where is the eye roll emoji when you need it!

I was thinking @InstantlyBella was a parody account but if people didn't think like her then we wouldn't have authoritarianism. It always starts with ' why don't people know what's best for them?' and moves onto 'voting will just get in the way of us achieving our aims- we just need a bit longer' to 'People who exercise wrong think are subhumans who need to be eliminated'. Didn't her hero Zack Polanski say that right wingers should be excluded from society? A bit like that. Scary if they get to choose who is ' right wing' (anyone not voting Green according to InstantlyBella)

It always starts with ' why don't people know what's best for them?' and moves onto 'voting will just get in the way of us achieving our aims- we just need a bit longer' to 'People who exercise wrong think are subhumans who need to be eliminated'.

I think this view is quite widespread. I’ve seen on mn a number of times after Brexit and when right wingers parties do well, posts saying voters should have to pass a test before they are allowed to vote. It’s remarkable how few posters object.
InstantlyBella said that there should be no more secret ballots, eg how people vote would be made public. I realise she was probably taking the pee but there wasn’t that much pushback.

I think the left for years have had it there own way but gone far to far in a lot of cases. This has resulted in a lot of normal people becoming frustrates, fed up and disillusioned. It's also resulted in many voters voting Reform who are more to the right. However the left seem to be throwing there toys out of the pram right now but that tends to happen when spoilt kids who always got there own way suddenly get told no. Personally I am not convinced Reform holding so much power is a good thing but it was inevitable after years of goverment failures and Keir stammer seeming determined to destroy the country.

You think “the left” had it their own way during 14 years of Tory government? Seriously?

I dont mean jsut from the government i mean in the sense of those who shouted the loudest and because of this were heard. In scotland the left have definitely had to much of a say in politics as they shortest the loudest and labour seem to have quite a few left back benches. These people are put in power to do what is best for the country which means looking at what is right not just who screams the most. I think the silent majority are now speaking up and did ao via there vote.

Yes, I agree. Thankfully there is not enough people who would support Zarah Sultana. Those types are just super irritating but I choose to not give space to any of them.

in fairness, instantlybella took an initial pasting from both sides for their nonsense. There’s also a point after which people have largely ignored their siblings. I don’t think you can draw much from that

the ‘IQ test before you can vote’ this is obviously not cool, though I do understand people getting frustrated at some people’s total incapacity for critical thought. As that noted massive lefty James cleverly has noted, ‘Nigel Farage is not a policy. Being angry is not a policy’

There’s also a point after which people have largely ignored their siblings

@AStonedRose sorry I don’t understand this sentence.

the ‘IQ test before you can vote’ this is obviously not cool, though I do understand people getting frustrated at some people’s total incapacity for critical thought

Yes that’s true but it always seems to be a reaction to right wing supporters - though I’m happy to be corrected on this and I know Brexit wasn’t voted for exclusively by the right.

Apologs, autocorrect. It should have been ‘wibblings’. Ie Bella pasta (or whatever they’re called)’s posts are wibblings ie.
Meandering arrant nonsense

hope that’s clearer

hope that’s clearer

Got it - thanks!

No ones voting to spite people like you. I don't actually think there are any people like you. Because you're either a right wing fever dream, a charicature, parody of the left stooge for Reform, or if you're genuine, when they made you they broke the mould.

playing chess with a pigeon etc

I did like that quote from him. People forget.

There was a significant 'Lexit' block of voters - conveniently forgotten by the raging mob.

Thanks. Last time I heard 'wibble' was on Blackadder I think, when he was pretending to be mad (catch 22 etc). Anyway, 'wibblings' fits well with bella pasta.

I see you all talking about me and I have to say I am rather flattered darlings. You all make wonderful punching bags in the gladiatoral arena that is public discourse on the Internet.

Bravo 👏

💘

You're welcome Bella 😘

I seem to remember there was some Twitter warrior (never been on Twitter myself) called I think Titiana McGrath who was the wokest of all wokesters, either riling people up or getting huge support - and it turned out the account was a parody.

Why have you written 'Internet', i.e. using a capital I?

Titania McGrath is still going - she’s hilarious.