The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

[Northermcharn]

I read this quote and it encapsulates exactly how I feel

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

*the quote is from John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten. He's deliberately provocative in lots of ways, but he meant this one. I fully expect some people to come on the thread to tell us all how he's a horror and said he likes Donald Trump. That would be them missing the point.. but.. Let Them..

This.

The Green Party used to be cool. Its now trans loving, women hating, but Gaza blah blah and hate anything successful

Wow.

Hoping for the downfall of the country, self loathing, hatred of white 'colonisers' really sums up some on the left. Is there nothing about the UK you like @InstantlyBella

how very coherent and mature. Not.
More like the views of a sixth former.

How very obvious you don't have an answer to any of my points.

What points? You didn’t make any.

John Lyndon? Expat sell-out says what now? Anything for a bit of coverage ...

We should be angry at billionaires. No one person needs that much money.
@ReginaPhalange1989

How should we show this anger towards billionaires?
What is the maximum amount of money one person can have?

To repeat

you moan that all right wingers are (wrongly) classed as thick, racists etc

then promptly group all left wingers together and insult them as one collective group

and you don’t see the irony

That’s what….

Really showing yourself up there, as a hysterical, shouty far left extremist. True to form.

£999,999 is ok, apparently.

These people are comedians.

It's interesting, there has been a flip for sure.

Lots of things that used to be associated with left hippy or counter-cultural types now seem, for example concern about big Pharma, the left now seem to be all over. I have friends who were considered massive granola hippies in the ,90s, who had parents who were actual hippy draft dodgers who built houses in the forest, who today are read as "right wing" by many because of their suspicion of big Pharma.

There used to be a massive faction of lefty home educators worried about the state basically indoctrinating their kids, not the Lefty's think home educating is bad because the state won't get the chance to indoctrinate kids.

I think the correct conclusion is it is cyclical. And the culturally dominate view will always tend to attract people who are fundamentally of a more conservative personality, in the sense that they just tend to accept whatever tribal l beliefs are dominant. Whether they reflexively believe left or right wing ideas doesn't matter.

A billion is 1000 times larger than a million!

As someone who's been involved in the left for decades (the actual hard left, none of your centrist Labour party shite) and been eternally frustrated by the divisions and general narcissism of small differences that prevents anything being accomplished, the most wild thing about this thread is the apparently there are people who think of "the left" as one homogeneous block working in sync. If only!!!

@gannett
As someone who's been involved in the left for decades (the actual hard left, none of your centrist Labour party shite) and been eternally frustrated by the divisions and general narcissism of small differences that prevents anything being accomplished

Could you give some examples of what you would like to be accomplished?

How did I insult left wingers?

Well, your thread title might be a good starting point...

Oh yes I can very well imagine. Not sure anyone thinks of the left as one homogenous blob. And can absolutely see that divisions and narcissism split left thinking groups, often. There's no loyalty, only anger and rage against the machine.

But anyway, I'd like my 3rd coffee of the morning in peace so best log off MN.

Oh you haven't even heard me shout yet, love.

Still got no answer to any of my factual points above? Specifically about Reform's stance on equal rights, which was a reply to one of your posts? No? Didn't think so.

Enjoy being a simp for the billionaires and fascists.

Only people who haven't observed the Left ( or watched the Life of Brian, or knew anything about 20th century European history) would think they were one homogeneous blob! They have been caught up in a purity spiral for so long that it's easier to call everyone from the Socialist rump of Labour to the furthest Left ' The Left' than to identify the million different types of ' Hard Left' splinter groups formed because they disagreed on one point. The ridiculousness of Jeremy Corbyn being called a right wing agent of Israel, and there being 2 Communist Parties of GB because they couldn't agree on what the right type of communist was, yet still think they would be able to live communally, bartering ' from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs' makes them one homogeneous block of narcissism, as you say. Which is why they can't fix it.

Your maths is wrong there. Kind of proves my point though. Nobody needs billions.

I am a comedian even though you've jumped on a tiny part of my post and picked it apart agressively.

I assume it's a distraction from my other points as you clearly do not know how to answer my questions.

I give up now. I wanted a genuine discussion from someone who's views differ from mine. No disrespect, but understanding.

But all thats happening is people being rude, throwing insults and being disrespectful.

No wonder our country is fucked, we're all fighting like children.

My experience too, though I gave up trying to be sensible when the OP suggested Brexit was Ed Miliband's fault.

Then the OP wrote the words 'Where have I insulted left wingers?', having started a thread titled 'the left have become a snivelling, self-righteous mob'.

No sensible discussion to be had here, I'm afraid, pal.

More factual observations 'insults' .. .

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/jk-rowling-starmer-harman-trans-row-b1281746.html

Bravo, @Keir_Starmer for getting in an Adviser on Women and Girls who thinks the definition of women and girls includes men and boys. That'll definitely win back people who believe Labour's a party for smug, lanyard-wearing, luxury-belief-espousing cultural elitists.

Ah bless ya hopes and prayers, pal x

Old but an example for a pp who who doesn't understand why the left are no good for women and girls.

https://unherd.com/2023/01/the-labour-party-has-a-woman-problem/

'On Tuesday, when two of those colleagues traded that sympathy for aggression, shouting down women in the Chamber, it felt like a very different Labour Party. I was defending the need to protect vulnerable women in single-sex spaces, and had just criticised Scotland’s Gender Reform Bill, when Ben Bradshaw yelled his disapproval at me. Sitting nearby, Lloyd Russell-Moyle went puce — perhaps less surprising — and started to heckle every woman who spoke of their similar concerns. Later, when Miriam Cates, a Conservative MP and friend, spoke of her concerns around safeguarding, he accused her of being a bigot before crossing over to the Tory side of the Chamber to sit on the side benches, very close to her, staring as if to intimidate her.

“I recognise that I failed to control [my] passion”, was how he later “apologised”. In other words, he had done nothing wrong. It wasn’t his fault; it was ours for daring to disagree with him. “Look what you made me do,” as my ex-partner would say when I had caused him to explode — perhaps by doing or wearing something he didn’t entirely like or voicing an opinion he didn’t want to hear.
After Tuesday’s outburst, came the silence. Not from Russell-Moyle, but from Keir Starmer’s office. It’s a cycle I’ve come to know well. First, speak up in defence of women’s sex-based rights. And then, face the consequences. Alone'.