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The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

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Northermcharn · 09/05/2026 18:17

I read this quote and it encapsulates exactly how I feel

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

*the quote is from John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten. He's deliberately provocative in lots of ways, but he meant this one. I fully expect some people to come on the thread to tell us all how he's a horror and said he likes Donald Trump. That would be them missing the point.. but.. Let Them..

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EasternStandard · 10/05/2026 16:21

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 16:15

Same here. I'll be fine, I'm a few years of retirement, when I die, my kids will be loaded. A conservative government works fine for me personally. Reform, who knows.

My mum still lives on the estate I grew up on. I won't say exactly where but it's faintly notorious, and there have been riots on a few occasions that have made the news. There's a cliche that 90% of people who live there are decent, and it's the other 10% that ruin it, and from what I've seen that's true.

Anyway, throughout my long adult life, I've been able to see that things have got better for the decent, (mostly) hardworking, but disadvantaged people on that state when there's been a labour government, and things have gone to shit when the Tories have been in power. It's that more than anything else that informs my views - the government should seek to reduce the worst excesses of capitalism, we should pay more money for better public services, there should be a safety net for the poorest, and the best off (which includes me at this point) should bear a disproportionate share of the burden.

It's almost as if there right can't believe that people care about anyone other than themselves.

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I think Labour will have some nearly retired / retired or well off but generally more don’t agree they’re doing well as a gov.

PeopleLikeColdplayYouCantTrustPeopleJez · 10/05/2026 16:22

Well if the bloke from the Sex Pistols says this, he must be on to something. He is after all known to be a very intelligent , measured man.

Gallowayan · 10/05/2026 16:25

Zzz

ReginaPhalange1989 · 10/05/2026 16:32

OneTealShaker · 10/05/2026 14:35

You wrote:

we should really be angry at (billionaires)

Ok, go ahead. How does that help. As I asked. The billionaires are leaving, how much richer are you as a result?

If they all left, do you think you will be richer.

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We should be angry at billionaires. No one person needs that much money.

Somerford · 10/05/2026 16:34

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 16:16

For the avoidance of doubt, Somerford, and unlike the PP, I don't give a monkeys what you think.

I hope I've made that clear.

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Good for you, bye now.

Gallowayan · 10/05/2026 16:38

Yawn

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Northermcharn · 10/05/2026 16:59

HappyMamma2023 · 10/05/2026 16:11

A old friend from school has 3 close family members who are Labour councillors. At the weekend one of them received some aggro from Reform supporters when they were canvassing, which is uncalled for. She then posted on FB and the replies and comments suddenly became vicious with her FB friends stating Reform supporters should be deported and locked up in a cage like Trump. Now I'm not a Reform voter, but it was eye opening and sad to see these Labour supporter's replies. All sounded pompous and several suggested Reform supporters weren't as intelligent. You can't win a debate when you argue this way.

Yes. that's a clear real life example of the phenomenon. And it is repeated over and over.

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Northermcharn · 10/05/2026 17:00

Somerford · 10/05/2026 16:15

I'm accusing you of saying and doing nothing to refute that poster, which is true. You replied to me in a heart beat saying that she (i presume) is only one person and not representative of the left, so I pointed out that you weren't at all motivated to reply with refutation or condemnation. You had the time and opportunity to refute that person's posts if you found them abhorrent, as evidence by how quickly you responded to me. I simply pointed out which posts get you animated you and which ones seemingly don't.

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Absolutely. Your point is accurate and well made.

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Northermcharn · 10/05/2026 17:07

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 10/05/2026 15:39

eh? We can read your post. That is the 'context!' You havent been taken out of context at all.

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Agreed 100%. 'The white working classes can safely be ignored'. We have the context and the sentiment. Thanks Bella.

'InstantlyBella · Today 11:02
The voters will naturally switch over to the Green Party, who are more sympathetic to the plight of minorities both here and overseas.
But ultimately, if you claim to be someone of the left, you need to put all Party politics aside and come together to invite as many people to this island as you can before 2028. Get everybody naturalised and start aggressively marketing policies that these people genuinely are concerned about. The white working class can safely be ignored, they are a diminishing demographic and this is their final act of defiance against what is good for them.
That is what needs to happen. Hopefully the left can see the bigger picture and come together to make the future we all want a certainty.
5MinuteArgument · Today 10:56
I think this is actually the thinking behind govts who have enabled mass immigration, from Blair onwards: import the next generations of voters.
Trouble is you get a reaction, which we are seeing now in the success of Reform and the loss of votes for Labour. Ironically even Tony Blair has come out and said we need to get a grip on our borders.
InstantlyBella · Today 10:05
If it was up to me, I would open the borders for the next few years leading up to the next national election and give citizenship to every single person who comes here. Make sure they drown out Reform's votership completely.
Then the right will never get anywhere in UK politics ever again.'

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Crikeyalmighty · 10/05/2026 17:07

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 15:02

I would describe myself as 'old labour' and certainly don't think unfettered immigration is a good thing (and, incidentally, isn't what's happening - net migration has fallen from close to a million to under 200k in the last couple of years).

Questions around how many people are in the country, where they come from, what skills they have etc. are really complicated, and cut across everything else - pensions, healthcare, economic growth etc. It's been done to death, but one key factor is that our low birth rate, combined with people living longer, is stressing state pensions, the NHS and a few other things.

'Importing' people so that that demographic makeup changes has worked in some ways but not others. I'm not daft enough to think that cultural integration is a non-issue, but some of the frothing about (particularly) Islam, under cover of 'legitimate concern', is old-school race hate straight out of the 1930s play book. How on earth has this become our main political football when there's so much else going on.

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Couldn’t agree more .

sleepwouldbenice · 10/05/2026 17:19

As someone who is politically quite central….

to be clear OP, you complain that all right wind reform voters are labelled as being the same then promptly label left wing voters as the same…. Right…..

Crikeyalmighty · 10/05/2026 17:22

sleepwouldbenice · 10/05/2026 17:19

As someone who is politically quite central….

to be clear OP, you complain that all right wind reform voters are labelled as being the same then promptly label left wing voters as the same…. Right…..

Yep ! As I tried to say below we are not a homogenous bunch - I’m centrist left but have the odd right wing view - I wouldn’t for instance have lifted the 2 child cap.

just as everyone who is somewhat right wing isn’t a Brexiter or votes Reform

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 17:23

Northermcharn · 10/05/2026 17:07

Agreed 100%. 'The white working classes can safely be ignored'. We have the context and the sentiment. Thanks Bella.

'InstantlyBella · Today 11:02
The voters will naturally switch over to the Green Party, who are more sympathetic to the plight of minorities both here and overseas.
But ultimately, if you claim to be someone of the left, you need to put all Party politics aside and come together to invite as many people to this island as you can before 2028. Get everybody naturalised and start aggressively marketing policies that these people genuinely are concerned about. The white working class can safely be ignored, they are a diminishing demographic and this is their final act of defiance against what is good for them.
That is what needs to happen. Hopefully the left can see the bigger picture and come together to make the future we all want a certainty.
5MinuteArgument · Today 10:56
I think this is actually the thinking behind govts who have enabled mass immigration, from Blair onwards: import the next generations of voters.
Trouble is you get a reaction, which we are seeing now in the success of Reform and the loss of votes for Labour. Ironically even Tony Blair has come out and said we need to get a grip on our borders.
InstantlyBella · Today 10:05
If it was up to me, I would open the borders for the next few years leading up to the next national election and give citizenship to every single person who comes here. Make sure they drown out Reform's votership completely.
Then the right will never get anywhere in UK politics ever again.'

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I've never seen anything to suggest that Labour saw immigration as shipping in client voters (though they may have appreciated the happy accident). Free movement is a non-negotiable of EU membership, so unless they were going to take us out in 2004, when the Eastern European countries joined, it was inevitable.

And the spike in non-EU immigration following Brexit was a direct consequence of, er, Brexit, so obviously not manufactured by the left.

In any case, I doubt it has made much difference to the outcome of any election, as most immigrants end up in big cities, which have historically been Labour-voting anyway.

And I think that InstantlyBella has amply demonstrated that there are plonkers on both side of the equation. You'll get no argument from me there.

Papyrophile · 10/05/2026 18:22

Shakeoffyourchains · 10/05/2026 13:11

You're not going to get your quality of life back without addressing wealth inequality. It really is as simple as that.

Doesn't matter how many migrants you deport, how many benefits you slash or how many children you force into poverty, if you elect politicians who allow the top 10% of the population to double their wealth every 5 years the other 90% will get poorer.

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I hear you, but most people are not as unequal as the billionaires and anyone on UC.

From a fairly fortunate standpoint, I'd be the first to acknowledge that we are financially reasonably solid. But it has been carefully built up over the 40 years DH and I have been a team. We put a little into our pensions every single year, and when there was a surplus we dobbed it all in. It looks pretty healthy now, but I am not quite 70, and my ddad is still alive, at 92. There wont be anyone to tend me if I am old and awkward. So I shall be self funding my care home and also chipping in for A N Other who didn't or couldn't pay. I plan to top myself at 85. I just hope I have the capacity and capability to go through with it.

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Northermcharn · 10/05/2026 18:23

sleepwouldbenice · 10/05/2026 17:19

As someone who is politically quite central….

to be clear OP, you complain that all right wind reform voters are labelled as being the same then promptly label left wing voters as the same…. Right…..

What??

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Papyrophile · 10/05/2026 18:25

The older I get, the more I lament the idiocy delivered by our "education".

Nospringchix · 10/05/2026 18:31

ILikeDinosaurs · 09/05/2026 18:56

And the right are not woman-hating? You clearly know nothing of Reform's policies! (Proving the adage that the right are thick)..

Reform wants to scrap the Equality act, meaning women will have no equal rights at work, no right to equal pay, no maternity protections, they have voted against increasing protections against violence for women and girls, including the right to not have their drinks spiked or photos taken without permission, they have called for a tax on childless women, less protection for women in DV cases, and I can go on and on.

They are a bunch of men who are sick in the head, and the women who support them... well I just don't understand them at all.

Now tell me, who are the hateful ones?

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I couldn't agree more. I am older now, but I would worry about my nieces futures under a Reform government. They would lose protections that I have taken for granted in my lifetime.
The fact that people think the left are woman haters would make me laugh if it wasn't so scary.

Papyrophile · 10/05/2026 18:35

I've never seen anything to suggest that Labour saw immigration as shipping in client voters (though they may have appreciated the happy accident). Free movement is a non-negotiable of EU membership, so unless they were going to take us out in 2004, when the Eastern European countries joined, it was inevitable.

The Labour governments of 1997 to 2008 did nothing to control the flood of east Europeans to the UK. In my mum's street, a cul de sac of 16 houses in Banbury, the road was inundated overnight. They were mostly lovely people, but they have moved on and bought their own houses for the families they now have.

Whatafustercluck · 10/05/2026 18:47

Locutus2000 · 10/05/2026 12:15

No, but they have learned from the US that if you just keep screaming the same misinformation often enough a proportion of the population will fall for it.

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I think online echo chambers also create the false illusion that everyone thinks the same as them. A meme is shared that can be disproved quite quickly with the bare minimum of research, yet it's reposted thousands of times as the truth, and nobody seems to possess any critical thinking skills to question it.

AStonedRose · 10/05/2026 18:49

Papyrophile · 10/05/2026 18:35

I've never seen anything to suggest that Labour saw immigration as shipping in client voters (though they may have appreciated the happy accident). Free movement is a non-negotiable of EU membership, so unless they were going to take us out in 2004, when the Eastern European countries joined, it was inevitable.

The Labour governments of 1997 to 2008 did nothing to control the flood of east Europeans to the UK. In my mum's street, a cul de sac of 16 houses in Banbury, the road was inundated overnight. They were mostly lovely people, but they have moved on and bought their own houses for the families they now have.

I’m not understanding your complaint. Some ‘lovely people’ moved to the UK and had families here?

You think that’s a bad thing?

Smeuse · 10/05/2026 18:51

Papyrophile · 10/05/2026 18:35

I've never seen anything to suggest that Labour saw immigration as shipping in client voters (though they may have appreciated the happy accident). Free movement is a non-negotiable of EU membership, so unless they were going to take us out in 2004, when the Eastern European countries joined, it was inevitable.

The Labour governments of 1997 to 2008 did nothing to control the flood of east Europeans to the UK. In my mum's street, a cul de sac of 16 houses in Banbury, the road was inundated overnight. They were mostly lovely people, but they have moved on and bought their own houses for the families they now have.

Those Eastern Europeans were either renting those houses or bought them, what is the issue there?

Were those 16 houses empty before they arrived overnight?

OneTealShaker · 10/05/2026 20:10

ReginaPhalange1989 · 10/05/2026 16:32

We should be angry at billionaires. No one person needs that much money.

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Who decides that? Why do you get to say how munch money someone has or needs. and how does someone else having less money mean you get more. You know that it’s not a zero sum game?

Maybe focus less on being angry and bitter about others having more and focus on what it takes to lift everyone up. You know, like growing the whole pie. But, that’s not very leftist, is it. Everyone being equally poor is the left’s thing.

ILikeDinosaurs · 10/05/2026 20:52

OneTealShaker · 10/05/2026 20:10

Who decides that? Why do you get to say how munch money someone has or needs. and how does someone else having less money mean you get more. You know that it’s not a zero sum game?

Maybe focus less on being angry and bitter about others having more and focus on what it takes to lift everyone up. You know, like growing the whole pie. But, that’s not very leftist, is it. Everyone being equally poor is the left’s thing.

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Who decides that? Why do you get to say how munch money someone has or needs. and how does someone else having less money mean you get more.

There's no such thing as an ethical billionaire. Billionaires exist because somewhere along the way they have underpaid, undercut, and ripped off people. And yes, we CAN say that. They have TOO MUCH money and too much power.

Everyone being equally poor is the left’s thing.

What a load of sh!te.

ReginaPhalange1989 · 10/05/2026 21:22

OneTealShaker · 10/05/2026 20:10

Who decides that? Why do you get to say how munch money someone has or needs. and how does someone else having less money mean you get more. You know that it’s not a zero sum game?

Maybe focus less on being angry and bitter about others having more and focus on what it takes to lift everyone up. You know, like growing the whole pie. But, that’s not very leftist, is it. Everyone being equally poor is the left’s thing.

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I am not angry or bitter. I don't want more, nor am I jealous. It was a personal opinion of mine that seems to have enraged you.

What about the rest of my post? Are you interested in discussion and debate?