The Left have a become a snivelling self-righteous mob, busy bodying around, trying to shame others

[Northermcharn]

I read this quote and it encapsulates exactly how I feel

'I never thought I'd see the day when the Right became the cool ones giving the finger to the establishment, and the Left became the snivelling self-righteous ones going around shaming everybody'

AIBU to think this is what many people think these days? We didn't leave the left, the left left us.

*the quote is from John Lydon aka Johnny Rotten. He's deliberately provocative in lots of ways, but he meant this one. I fully expect some people to come on the thread to tell us all how he's a horror and said he likes Donald Trump. That would be them missing the point.. but.. Let Them..

Ed Milliband being responsible for Brexit is one of the more outlandish claims that I've heard on MN, I must admit.

Lovely, as always ❤

Which bit of what I’ve posted is gaslighting? I gave you my opinion abput what you had said and pointed out that it was the exact behaviour you accuse the left of - you were self righteous and shaming of Miliband (and me). Where is the gaslighting please?

Not a claim a root cause. But you do you, you're good at that 😘

Where was I 'shaming' of you?

Sorry, but if you're going to post things like 'Ed Miliband is responsible for Brexit', people are going to take the piss.

I'm happy to be polite and respectful, on the whole, but at this point, you've made yourself a laughing stock. There's a level below which you stop deserving even cursory respect.

Thank you, I appreciate the compliment.

I'd far rather do me than do you. For obvious reasons.

It’s nonsense though, isn’t it? You blame him for losing the election at which Cameron got in, therefore you blame him for Cameron’s actions. He’s not a root cause of Brexit. Cameron trying to appease the Reformistas in his party is. Plus his arrogance in not framing the referendum in the way one for constitutional change should be framed - needing a supermajority. Then leaving the minute he didn’t get the answer he thought he would. Blaming the defeated party for the actions of the winner is just odd.

Honestly, pal, it's not worth it...

Ha ha - I see the utterly nasty side of the left has been awoken now. Poor things, it's been a tough old few days. They must be inconsolable behind closed doors.

This, for a start: ‘Of course you try to gaslight, it's what the left do’.
But also by implication. I suggested the Tories weren’t paragons of virtue for the last 14 years and got a whole tirade about the left and how all the bad things are our fault.

Yes Cameron leaving Was shameful.

You have been way, way more nasty than those (with one exception) on the left of this discussion. It’s odd. Why aren’t you happy? It’s not been tough for me. I’m a Plaid voter in Wales as it happens. We won. And as for the Labour losses, they weren’t a surprise and they don’t magically make the nasty racism and misogyny of several Reform candidates cool or good.

It's ironic to complain about nastiness from the left, given that you've started a whole thread that's inspired by nastiness yourself. But whatever.

I certainly wouldn't say I'm inconsolable. I'm frustrated but resigned.

It's sad to watch a country that you love take the wrong direction, and there is something rather pitiful about people who are already disadvantaged being manipulated into voting for people who are going to make their lives much worse. But increasingly, my sympathy is waning, and there is a growing part of me that thinks fuck them, let them have what they think they want and they can then stew in a cesspit of their own making. People ultimately get the governments that they deserve.

I am fortunate in that I have money and options, so I won't be too badly affected by the worst of it. I do feel incredibly sorry for those who don't want Reform and don't have the privileges that will enable them to weather the storm, but I am gradually starting to accept that there isn't actually much that I can do to help them at this point.

eh? We can read your post. That is the 'context!' You havent been taken out of context at all.

I didn't say you were required to respond to every post, I just pointed out that you hadn't felt the need to reply to this particular poster's awful posts but you jumped on mine within minutes. As I said, interesting.

People ultimately get the governments that they deserve.

Very true. We're certainly seeing this with the current Labour government.

Not at all unless you are looking for offence. What are you accusing me of, exactly? Disdain for the working classes? Absolutely not. As I said, that poster was being dealt with effectively by another person. When I came on, you had just attacked everyone by saying we were all like that, so I was pointing out we weren’t. You got deleted for that attack, I see.

You sound like you're only here to bait people - and that's a very unpleasant trait.

A old friend from school has 3 close family members who are Labour councillors. At the weekend one of them received some aggro from Reform supporters when they were canvassing, which is uncalled for. She then posted on FB and the replies and comments suddenly became vicious with her FB friends stating Reform supporters should be deported and locked up in a cage like Trump. Now I'm not a Reform voter, but it was eye opening and sad to see these Labour supporter's replies. All sounded pompous and several suggested Reform supporters weren't as intelligent. You can't win a debate when you argue this way.

Yawn.

Same here. I'll be fine, I'm a few years of retirement, when I die, my kids will be loaded. A conservative government works fine for me personally. Reform, who knows.

My mum still lives on the estate I grew up on. I won't say exactly where but it's faintly notorious, and there have been riots on a few occasions that have made the news. There's a cliche that 90% of people who live there are decent, and it's the other 10% that ruin it, and from what I've seen that's true.

Anyway, throughout my long adult life, I've been able to see that things have got better for the decent, (mostly) hardworking, but disadvantaged people on that state when there's been a labour government, and things have gone to shit when the Tories have been in power. It's that more than anything else that informs my views - the government should seek to reduce the worst excesses of capitalism, we should pay more money for better public services, there should be a safety net for the poorest, and the best off (which includes me at this point) should bear a disproportionate share of the burden.

It's almost as if there right can't believe that people care about anyone other than themselves.

I'm accusing you of saying and doing nothing to refute that poster, which is true. You replied to me in a heart beat saying that she (i presume) is only one person and not representative of the left, so I pointed out that you weren't at all motivated to reply with refutation or condemnation. You had the time and opportunity to refute that person's posts if you found them abhorrent, as evidence by how quickly you responded to me. I simply pointed out which posts get you animated you and which ones seemingly don't.

For the avoidance of doubt, Somerford, and unlike the PP, I don't give a monkeys what you think.

I hope I've made that clear.

Ok. So you are just looking for offence. Fine.