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So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

662 replies

Wellwhatnowbellaboo · 09/05/2026 10:06

Reform has won by a landslide .... immigration is probably by the look of it the biggest issue. What can realistically without breaking laws be done to really halt this with a big impact ? What would Farage actually do ? Would and should we as a country break some laws to get this done and speak to what people really feel is an issue ? (Many countries do). This is not in labour's dna so I doubt anything will come if it now ... but if you've thought about it or you have solutions what are they ?
And if you are opposed- why and what's the answer ?

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crackofdoom · 09/05/2026 13:39

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 13:34

No! Expats pay a lot of money into the economy of the land they’ve chosen to live in and enhance the area, buying houses , services, furniture etc. They’re not a drain on it. Many will learn the language too. They will pay health insurance . Those who get it free are part of reciprocal arrangements.

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Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 13:39

Maddy70 · 09/05/2026 13:36

You will never halt illegal immigration

Spain have done an interesting thing. They have done an amnesty so everyone that's there illegally can now be regularized , access health care etc and importantly work legitimately providing a boost in the economy by them paying taxes

How do they organise accommodation for all those people?

EstrellaPolar · 09/05/2026 13:40

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 13:34

No! Expats pay a lot of money into the economy of the land they’ve chosen to live in and enhance the area, buying houses , services, furniture etc. They’re not a drain on it. Many will learn the language too. They will pay health insurance . Those who get it free are part of reciprocal arrangements.

Expats don’t pay “a lot of money into the economy of the land they’ve chosen” in Spain. They are pushing people out of their own cities and towns and driving prices up.

“Expats” are swooning in from London, renting a 4-bedroom flat for £1500 while telling everyone back home just “how cheap” Spain is - of course, they’re used to £2-3k rents. Without thinking twice about how £1500 is more than a local family’s monthly wage.

Don’t even get me started on them using the public free healthcare, and constantly complaining or turning up their noses at the local customs.

Of course, this is the government’s fault, not theirs. But let’s stop pretending calling yourself an expat is in some way more honourable than using the actual word for what these people are - migrants. They’re migrants (with money).

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 13:41

crackofdoom · 09/05/2026 13:39

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What’s so funny? I know from experience that this is true, lived in Spain for many years.

Happyjoe · 09/05/2026 13:41

Farage has already admitted he can't stop the boats.

Teainapinkcup · 09/05/2026 13:41

AyeDeadOn · 09/05/2026 10:36

Why arent they seeking asylum in the first safe country? Once they choose to go through another safe country, or many other safe countries, imo they are no longer asylum seekers. They have other reasons for wanting to come specifically here, not just to a safe place.

100% this. We offer a benefits system.

Cheese55 · 09/05/2026 13:43

MatronPomfrey · 09/05/2026 13:38

Anyone illegally entering the country should be detained immediately.

Currently, they register and then disappear. They’re then vulnerable to exploitation because they have no recourse to public funds and no right to work. They are left with dodgy below minimum wage jobs that don’t pay tax/NI. Often end up victims of modern day slavery and living in unsafe housing.

Once they’re caught, they serve their prison sentence and are then deported if the UK have an agreement with their home country. They get their flight back and a resettlement grant. Being detained at entry point could prevent this. There would also be far less cannabis farms.

I dont think the government is politically bothered about the ones that disappear as they don't have to fund them.

Happyjoe · 09/05/2026 13:44

Teainapinkcup · 09/05/2026 13:41

100% this. We offer a benefits system.

Apparently it's a mix of speaking English and already having friends/family here.

ParmaVioletTea · 09/05/2026 13:44

Introduce citizen ID. So those overstaying illegally can’t disappear into the black economy.

Speed up hearings for those claiming asylum and deport immediately if they’re not given leave to remain. This would need a huge investment in our courts and civil service.

Allow those waiting for asylum to be granted to work, legally andpay tax etc. No cash benefits paid, only vouchers/in kind.

Take those on student visas out of the migration numbers. But ensure they don’t overstay.

But you know since Brexit legal immigration has increased hugely. We rely on it and without the freedom of movement within the EU those coming here to work have to do it permanently.

Brexit actually caused an increase in both legal and illegal migration.

EstrellaPolar · 09/05/2026 13:45

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 13:39

How do they organise accommodation for all those people?

We are building. Offering schemes so people can purchase empty larger homes at decent prices.

However, Spain doesn’t have the house culture of the UK. Unless you’re in a very small town or village, the average person and family lives in flats. Houses with gardens and multiple floors are for the well-off, especially in populated areas.

The UK seems (to an outsider) obsessed with detached houses, gardens and driveways. Normal Spanish families don’t tend to have that - you buy yourself a flat in the city and socialise outdoors - at the park, at the corner bar…

EstrellaPolar · 09/05/2026 13:46

Teainapinkcup · 09/05/2026 13:41

100% this. We offer a benefits system.

Do you genuinely believe the UK is the only country in Europe that offers a benefits system? Almost all others do too…

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 09/05/2026 13:52

Latenightreader · 09/05/2026 11:39

If that is true it sounds horrendous. "Local communities don't tollerate the building of mosques - if any are attempted they are pulled down in the night"? I am really struggling to articulate quite how sick this makes me feel.

Poland is as racist as f*ck, sorry to say. Or maybe kinder to refer to it as ‘cultural homogeneity’ or traditional conservative Christian values, national pride etc. All that said, there are four mosques in Poland - nobody has torched them or pulled them down in the middle of the night

SquirrelSoShiny · 09/05/2026 13:52

millymollymoomoo · 09/05/2026 12:11

Recognise these are not asylum seekers but illegal economic migrants.
stop ALL housing, no hotels, no hmos, no access to nhs or healthcare. Turn boats back into French waters. Remove visa from
countries who refuse to cooperate. Detain any that arrive and do not let them roam free.

absoluty crack down on money laundering barbers and bake shops etc.

All of this would help as would biometric IDs and changing the ECHR.

Maddy70 · 09/05/2026 13:53

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 13:39

How do they organise accommodation for all those people?

They are already there, living with friends , relatives etc if they're lucky , they just disappear into the black economy

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 13:55

EstrellaPolar · 09/05/2026 13:40

Expats don’t pay “a lot of money into the economy of the land they’ve chosen” in Spain. They are pushing people out of their own cities and towns and driving prices up.

“Expats” are swooning in from London, renting a 4-bedroom flat for £1500 while telling everyone back home just “how cheap” Spain is - of course, they’re used to £2-3k rents. Without thinking twice about how £1500 is more than a local family’s monthly wage.

Don’t even get me started on them using the public free healthcare, and constantly complaining or turning up their noses at the local customs.

Of course, this is the government’s fault, not theirs. But let’s stop pretending calling yourself an expat is in some way more honourable than using the actual word for what these people are - migrants. They’re migrants (with money).

Do you live there? Where I lived the surrounding areas were quite poor and since people from other countries have come to live there , new buildings, clinics etc have been built. People who buy properties need furniture, appliances, services like decorating, building and gardening and these firms have prospered. Some expats bought businesses or set up their own, employing many people. There are always cheats who abuse health systems eg misusing what were then called EHICS, but if you worked and made contributions you were entitled to health care, and if you didn’t health insurance is paid. If pensioners as I said, there is a reciprocal agreement with Spain. No one I knew turned their noses up at the local customs- they’ve joined in and adopted them. You must havehad a different experience to me.

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 13:56

EstrellaPolar · 09/05/2026 13:46

Do you genuinely believe the UK is the only country in Europe that offers a benefits system? Almost all others do too…

Not as generous as ours, apparently!

SquirrelSoShiny · 09/05/2026 13:56

This needs to go hand in hand with benefits reform for native British people and mass investment in education, healthcare and measures supporting families . We need so many immigrants because our native population are getting stupider, lazier, more entitled, sicker and older.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 09/05/2026 13:58

DefiantRabbit9 · 09/05/2026 11:47

I'm going to get flamed for saying this but pull out of the ECHR. It protects a lot of illegals from deportation and has throughly declawed any prevention measures from allowing them to enter or enforcement. There's also a massive normalisation of illegally entering that needs to stop.

And join Russia and Belarus as the only European countries not party to it?

ElenOfTheWays · 09/05/2026 13:59

Latenightreader · 09/05/2026 11:39

If that is true it sounds horrendous. "Local communities don't tollerate the building of mosques - if any are attempted they are pulled down in the night"? I am really struggling to articulate quite how sick this makes me feel.

Why? Do you think you could just rock up in Afghanistan or Iran and start building a church?

Cheesipuff · 09/05/2026 14:00

What’s to stop the 2million or so men in Bangladesh who are gay from moving to the U.K. -answer - nothing

Nanny0gg · 09/05/2026 14:01

Restlessdreams1994 · 09/05/2026 11:41

Reform did not “win by a landslide”. They got 26% of the vote in England, lost to Plaid in Wales and were thrashed in Scotland. They are dressing this up as a success but in fact their vote share has dropped based on previous by-election performance.

The vast majority of “illegal immigrants” in the UK arrived here through legal means such as student visas but stayed on once their right to reside ended. Small boat arrivals are a fraction of immigration, and asylum seekers are vetted and then deported if their claims fail. Focusing on small boats and asylum seekers as the issue just shows how willing people are to fall for Reform propaganda instead of actually understanding what is really happening.

The problem is, where they are herded together and put in hotels, or old military bases where there is nothing for them to do or anywhere for them to go except hang around town centres it will cause trouble (on both sides) and that's when Reform supporters (and others) start shouting.

If only they could have language classes and some form of training whilst they're holed up where they are instead of nothing

Parker231 · 09/05/2026 14:03

AyeDeadOn · 09/05/2026 10:36

Why arent they seeking asylum in the first safe country? Once they choose to go through another safe country, or many other safe countries, imo they are no longer asylum seekers. They have other reasons for wanting to come specifically here, not just to a safe place.

They don’t have to apply for asylum in the first safe country. Perhaps they speak English and have friends and family here.

Cheesipuff · 09/05/2026 14:03

getmeabiscuit · 09/05/2026 13:39

I don’t understand why this is a positive when Reform want it but Labour have been crucified for trying to reduce benefits? Don’t get me wrong I think Labour have ballsed uo, but it’s commonly said they ballsed up by their actions above, which are Reforms policy. I honestly don’t understand?

Labour were crucified by their back benchers - who thought they might lose their seats at the next election 😂

EstrellaPolar · 09/05/2026 14:04

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 13:55

Do you live there? Where I lived the surrounding areas were quite poor and since people from other countries have come to live there , new buildings, clinics etc have been built. People who buy properties need furniture, appliances, services like decorating, building and gardening and these firms have prospered. Some expats bought businesses or set up their own, employing many people. There are always cheats who abuse health systems eg misusing what were then called EHICS, but if you worked and made contributions you were entitled to health care, and if you didn’t health insurance is paid. If pensioners as I said, there is a reciprocal agreement with Spain. No one I knew turned their noses up at the local customs- they’ve joined in and adopted them. You must havehad a different experience to me.

Yes, I live here. I was a migrant myself, to the UK and other countries, and came back to my home city after a decade abroad (working and studying legally).

There is nothing “poor” about the area I live in. Nobody is building anything here or setting up clinics and decorating companies. They are, however, pushing us out of our home cities, because they have greater economic power, coming from countries where wages are higher. Most 2026 “expats” are digital workers. People keep their UK or American wages, so are happy to drive the cost of local services up.

The situation you describe can maybe apply to certain coastal areas that had a mass influx of Brits, German and Russian retirees settling there in the last 20-30 years.

They’re the ones who needed to build housing, English-speaking clinics, garden centres and decorating businesses, to set all those people up in their new retirement homes in the sun.

Guess what, they were doing the exact same thing to local residents in those poorer areas. No matter how humble your home or town is, nobody wants to be displaced because Pam and John from Liverpool have told all their friends about how “cheap” land is near Málaga. Now the local 20-30 year olds can’t buy property in their hometowns because these “expats” have come and convinced themselves they are doing us a service by building dental clinics and furniture shops.

Interestingly, we already had those before you came here to “invest” in them.

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 14:04

crackofdoom · 09/05/2026 13:36

I suppose it would have helped if free English classes for refugees hadn't been cut under austerity...

But a reason given for them coming here is the language- which they obviously don’t speak!