So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

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Reform has won by a landslide .... immigration is probably by the look of it the biggest issue. What can realistically without breaking laws be done to really halt this with a big impact ? What would Farage actually do ? Would and should we as a country break some laws to get this done and speak to what people really feel is an issue ? (Many countries do). This is not in labour's dna so I doubt anything will come if it now ... but if you've thought about it or you have solutions what are they ?
And if you are opposed- why and what's the answer ?

Reform did not “win by a landslide”. They got 26% of the vote in England, lost to Plaid in Wales and were thrashed in Scotland. They are dressing this up as a success but in fact their vote share has dropped based on previous by-election performance.

The vast majority of “illegal immigrants” in the UK arrived here through legal means such as student visas but stayed on once their right to reside ended. Small boat arrivals are a fraction of immigration, and asylum seekers are vetted and then deported if their claims fail. Focusing on small boats and asylum seekers as the issue just shows how willing people are to fall for Reform propaganda instead of actually understanding what is really happening.

Some sensible ideas as long as they don’t act like the thugs in the US! My sister is visiting me and has said that the ICE employees are given very little training. I could say more about description of them but I’m struggling to find a polite way!

The French have no real interest in stopping people from crossing the channel. They will pretend to go along with schemes, and take whatever money the UK throws their way, but there's nothing in it for them if they allow channel migrants to stay there.

I think quicker processing times would really help, but money needs to be thrown at it, like a PP said more jobs for immigration agents.

If they are granted asylum and have genuine documents then I think they should be allowed to work sooner than they are.

If they break the law then their asylum status automatically gets retracted.

However, I think for some people they just don’t wan’t any immigration at all, they have fallen for the “immigrants are tekkin all my jobs and get benyfits” so nothing will ever be good enough for them and they will never not believe some of the problems in this country really are not because of immigrants. They just don’t like brown people.

Nigel is gonna do fuck all about it, fuck up the country more, he just likes to cause division and get richer. He is a vile dogshit of a man. I also think Greens will fuck the country up also!

Yes but all the reform voters are feeling emboldened and coming out of the woodwork now thinking that Nigel is going to be running the country next week.

It is like the Brexit voters who thought we’d wake up on the 24th June 2016 to all ’them muslamics’ and non-white people being deported.

Perhaps we should improve how British men treat women before we start judging others! White British men commit disproportionately more rapes and sexual assaults on women in this country than those from ethnic minorities. Domestic abuse is also a massive problem here.

Claiming the moral high ground on how women are treated is both arrogant and ridiculous.

I'm going to get flamed for saying this but pull out of the ECHR. It protects a lot of illegals from deportation and has throughly declawed any prevention measures from allowing them to enter or enforcement. There's also a massive normalisation of illegally entering that needs to stop.

I think we should have Biometric ID cards that have to be used to get any accommodation or services, including Doctor or Hospital access.

Hmm. Would i, if I were a young, fit man, abandon all the women in my life to fend for themselves in an environment so unsafe that I had to flee, then take months to get to theee perfect location, risking life and limb in a small boat,rather than seeking asylum in the first safe location and doing what I can from there to try and help my abandoned, unsafe mother/sisters/daughters etc? Probably not, no.

And at least we would know who they are and if they are accepted they can get a job and start contributing.

At the moment we have people arriving and sometimes we know about them and sometimes we don't. From the news it would appear a lot of those we don't know about end up employed in shops to sell counterfeit goods

We need a return to the Dublin agreement that we had before brexit, where asylum claims were processed in the country they were already in, rather than them having to actually get here first before claiming asylum.

I agree we have enough home grown abusers without importing more from abroad, whose culture regarding women is well known!

World peace and an end to extreme poverty and exploitation.

Good luck.

Completely agree. Nothing will happen otherwise.

Apparently Trump, cut back on the budget for training ICE officers (it was probably Elon Musk with his doge bullshit that suggested it), which used to be a proper two year period (or something, sorry, can’t remember the details) which covered legal aspects too. They suddenly realised they needed more so started employing anyone with a gun licence who were given a 6 week (?) course and sent out on the streets.

Reform are only popular because of illegal immigration, they will only ever make pretend efforts to end it because it's in their interests for it to continue.

That is the problem. We perhaps should only pay them based on results, and also curtail their fishing rights if they don’t comply!

I've thought the same.

It is the small boats that need to be stopped. People pay thousands to get a place on one of those rubber boats. The people we want to stop are economic migrants.

We could issue a visa that costs say, £10000 that allows you entry to the UK and to look for work say for 2 years. Two year visa not looking for work.

BUT you have to provide finger prints and DNA and a valid passport from your home contry.

Restrictions can be added about where you are allowed to live / work.

As well as the DNA / fingerprints you re not allowed to use any public funds.

You will have to have a monthly interview, face to face or via zoom with a case worker. If you do not find work or undertake some voluntry work then your visa can be cancelled.

We already allow a lot of younger people from commonwealth countries to enter the UK.

I've not thought out the details but something could be worked out.

Unlike all those British expats living in Dubai who are fully integrated in the local language and culture. 🤔

Speed up asylum applications and clear the backlog. Money will have to be thrown at that but offer a good deal for a company to do it quickly and efficiently.

Clamp down on firms employing loads of dodgy workers without documents. Deliveroo, I'm looking at you.

Biometric ID, not leaving the ECHR but updating it (three are mechanisms to do this, and it has been done before I believe) to tighten up against case law that has probably swung too far in favour in things like ‘right to family life’ which gives some of the edge case results that get a lot of publicity and stoke anger.

Most claims are accepted, and the process is very slow. Some deportations are prevented by lawyers. The legal immigrants who outstay their visas are a problem, but those who arrive illegally and purport to be asylum seekers need stopping before they leave France. It’s too late by the time they get here.

And are those expats a drain on the economy and a social threat ? Or are you throwing out absurd attempts at parallels out of desperation?

And who pay into the system!

Should only the countries immediately neighbouring danger zones deal with the full cost and impact of each wave of asylum seeks and the costs of verifying their claims? Thatvwould be ridiculous. The UK has no more than its fair share of the global population of refugees if divided among safe countries in proportion to population. Given that a properly equitable distribution would naturally give a slightly higher proportion to richer nations we are really doing a bit less than our fair share. If international agreements for refugees qere changed to force all asylum seekers to make their claim in the first safe country that would have to come with a distribution system to relocate fair proportions of asylum seekers to other countries that do not border damger zones, which would be at the cost of the states involved instead of the personal costs to the asylum seekers, plus an enormous extra layer of bureaucracy to manage and monitor it, it would be far more expensive and we would have more asylum seekers billetted here officially and legally than we do with the current setup.

The best way to tackle illegal migration is to make legal migration easier, claiming asylum easier, and work harder to enforce employee rights for all so that there's no profit to be made shipping in migrant workers to evade costs. Reform are trying to reduce employee rights to make it easier for exoloitative employers so I expect their policies will actually increase the problems.