So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

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Reform has won by a landslide .... immigration is probably by the look of it the biggest issue. What can realistically without breaking laws be done to really halt this with a big impact ? What would Farage actually do ? Would and should we as a country break some laws to get this done and speak to what people really feel is an issue ? (Many countries do). This is not in labour's dna so I doubt anything will come if it now ... but if you've thought about it or you have solutions what are they ?
And if you are opposed- why and what's the answer ?

…and subsequently challenged by various courts for breaching asylum and human rights rules so I’m not sure they’re the best example really!

Where I live the immigrants are given bikes and phones and mini buses to take them out and about - better treatment than many locals!!

Over 10,000 people arrived by small boat before we left the Dublin agreement. The UK's success rate for outgoing Dublin returns between 2015 - 2018 was only 7%.

How is getting in a boat and risking dying safe than staying in France which is, obviously, a safe country.

I get the language problem but in a lot of ways France is better than here to live. Much better health system for a start

Apparently is the correct word. Have you actually looked at other countries’ benefits systems to compare them to the UK one?

It’s an interesting subject. Very important though, to inform oneself on the facts before giving “apparently” true statements.

Asylum seekers can’t claim benefits until their right to remain has been granted. There is a huge backlog so until their case is heard they can’t claim benefits or find a job.

Not really- it’s still a hell of a lot of money!

Well of course, but they do anyway. If you’ve ever had building waste removed from your house no questions asked, or a manicure or wax, or had your car washed at a hand car wash, you’ve probably dealt with a firm that employs illegal immigrants. I can guarantee that some of the British-grown fruit and veg you will eat over the summer will also be picked by illegal immigrants. Oh and fresh fish and shellfish too.

Define “the immigrants” please. I was an immigrant in the UK and nobody gave me a phone. Had to call giffgaff myself and set up a contract 🤣 No bike either, I spent a great part of my wages on topping up my oyster…

Must’ve moved to the wrong area of the UK!

I can only think we are abiding by the ECHR and spending £££s on court cases to get immigrants out and that the other countries don’t - why isn’t Spain swamped when it’s a stones throw from N Africa -armed police and customs???

This in essence but you also need to deport people who don’t succeed. I think very very very few deportations happen. The vast majority of people who have asylum applications refused, if they even get that far, just stay anyway

also I fail to see why asylum seekers while waiting for their decision, can’t work and contribute towards society

Well in France if you need an interpreter you have to pay for one. Why not make that the rule here?

SW Scotland housed in nice hotels

I didn’t ask where you lived. I asked you to define “immigrant”. Because I was one, and I didn’t have access to any of those things you mention.

Great idea, and NF has established such a good relationship with the French they are bound to allow it.

It would be a foolish political party to keep ignoring the will and concerns of a significant chunk of the population. It seems like Labour and the Tories have failed to deal with concerns around immigration. Be interesting to see what happens in the next general election.

I can confirm this. We employ lots of immigrants and they are eligible for the bike-to-work scheme. They also get a company mobile and (depending on their role) car allowance.

You are correct that it’s often coastal areas that have benefited. Where I lived a new marina had been built followed by shops and restaurants, more opportunities for employment. Of course there were dentists and clinics before expats arrived but there are plenty more now, and there are more legal firms helping with buying houses, wills, taxes etc. There will always be those who don’t want to be part of the community, but generally I found expats only too keen to assimilate. One area that is increased by expats is animal charities and charities for Cancer and other conditions. I also found the local community welcoming and helpful .

I presume they are legal immigrants in which case it’s fine?

Well, it isn't about what your opinion of how people should seek asylum. It's about what international law defines as the legal entitlement of those seeking asylum.

So there's no such premise as a first safe country. The reality is that the vast majority of people seek asylum in a neighbouring country, which makes sense logistically. But people will migrate to places that provide a semblance of familiarity be it a vague connection already there, language, culture or the misconception that we deeply care about them because of our military presence in their country.

If I remember correctly the French broached the subject but the U.K. didn’t go ahead with it. However, immigration would probably increase if that were to happen unless the U.K. were really specific about who they would accept, like those who have professions or abilities that we need and would be useful to us.

Well of course. As are presumably the ones that @Cheesipuff mentioned.

Because the “irregular “ immigrants don’t have money, unlike expats who choose to live in another country and pay their way!

I wonder what proportion of Brits living in the likes of Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Bahrain are Arabic speakers and have embraced and immersed themselves into their culture?

I wonder how many of the 400,000 or so Brits living in Spain mix with Spanish people, have adopted their norms and speak the language?

Stop giving free hotels, money, phones, medical/dental care etc to anyone that arrives. Removed this golden ticket and the attraction is gone.