So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

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Reform has won by a landslide .... immigration is probably by the look of it the biggest issue. What can realistically without breaking laws be done to really halt this with a big impact ? What would Farage actually do ? Would and should we as a country break some laws to get this done and speak to what people really feel is an issue ? (Many countries do). This is not in labour's dna so I doubt anything will come if it now ... but if you've thought about it or you have solutions what are they ?
And if you are opposed- why and what's the answer ?

Would you ban the sale of food outlets and ingredients sold in Super Markets that are not "traditionally British" too?

I've no idea what "British Norms and Values" are, can you give us all a list please?

As previously said it wasn't a landslide. It just reflects the portion of people in the UK who have a more authoritarian mindset.

What it represents is the fragmentation of party politics. Labour didn't lose out to Reform, they lost out to the Greens - probably because they'd been so vocally anti-immigrant.

Labour need to keep their liberal/ progressive support on side too. Their problem was that they were trying to our-Reform Reform and it just alienated their own supporters.

Do people actually care that much about immigration? I don't think the Reform party actually care (far more immigration because of Brexit).

Surely we should be looking to improving the opportunities for people in this country? Ensure people can get good jobs and the economy works for people.

They will call themselves asylum seekers when they are often economic migrants.

There are many practical reasons why some travel through safe counties to come to the UK (bearing in mind that most do actually stay in the other countries, Britain only received a tiny percentage )
Language , family ties , employment prospects etc

Economic migrants should have stricter controls. Basically they’re looking for jobs because women in their home countries are getting jobs.

That should be stopped. I heard Albanians come as asylum seekers, hadn’t heard they were persecuted (Albanians).

I think there's a pretty fucking big difference between a negligible number of people from a Middle Eastern country coming here, and being sent into a camp on a border of the same fucking country where they're being persecuted in. Get a grip for the love of fucking God.

I have an idea. Illegal immigrants are placed with anyone who is on record as saying “everyone is welcome”. One immigrant per person and that person is fully responsible for the wellbeing of the immigrant. Food, shelter, clothing, medical treatment. Any immigrant not placed with a family is returned. Wonder how fast the people saying everyone is welcome would change their minds if they had to take responsibility.

Trafficked Albanians would absolutely qualify to apply for asylum.

You're right, the responsibility for trauma caused by war should absolutely lie with the general population that is generally opposed to the war, and not the state to that is gleefully participating in and funding it. Amazing problem solving skills. Mumsnet strikes again 👏

The rank stupidity on here blows the fucking mind.

ID cards. ID cards. ID cards.

In Spain, you cannot work, open a bank account, go to the doctor, fill a prescription, apply for a bus pass, enrol your child in school, take a long-distance train, rent a house, drive a car, etc… WITHOUT an ID card (or valid residence permit).

It’s not controlling, it’s not a militia government, it’s a perfectly safe and normal system in which the country’s inhabitants have to identify themselves before accessing a majority of public and private services.

I don’t have to show ID every time I do those things, but I need my ID number in order to set my life up. Go ask a British expat in Spain (actually, an expat is a migrant, but I digress), if they were able to do anything before getting their NIE numbers.

Of course we still have illegal migration issues (what country doesn’t!) but there is a clear pathway to integration and regulation of people’s status, due to how the system is set up.

The country is about to approve residence permits to almost 1 million “illegal” migrants - most of them, Latin / South Americans who came on a visitor’s visa and overstayed. They are fast-tracking a lot of residence applications, family reunification visas, and degree conversions so that these people can be given legal status and start working legally. God knows how much they’ve struggled to earn a living in recent years.

We have a moral responsibility, let alone a financial reason for it. The country and economy needs migrants. Let’s stop saying “they’re taking over, they’re invading us”, when we did the exact same.

We went over there, colonised them, killed them, took over their countries. Why can’t they do the same? Perhaps the UK should look at making it much easier for migrants from colonised territories to access a visa or residence permit. Not just commonwealth countries…

But won’t that help the refugees? Instead of being placed in camos or hotels, they placed in a family home with support and care? Minimal cost to the taxpayer annd everyone is happy right? And I did say, those who state “everyone is welcome”. Like when Ukrainians were fleeing and people took them in.

No! Expats pay a lot of money into the economy of the land they’ve chosen to live in and enhance the area, buying houses , services, furniture etc. They’re not a drain on it. Many will learn the language too. They will pay health insurance . Those who get it free are part of reciprocal arrangements.

That’s true. Off the top of my head one friend from South India had to do the migration properly and pay to get into England. And then get a proper job in an office. She’s now married to an English Iranian man.

If they’re trafficked yes. If they’re not and they’re merely criminals then no.

What Japan is doing.

What Hungary is doing.

Etc.

I suppose it would have helped if free English classes for refugees hadn't been cut under austerity...

Apart from anything else, it IS communities that are stepping up taking responsibility for asylum seekers and refugees. But you wouldn't know that because you don't care quite enough to pay any attention to that

I found out yesterday that the total cost of processing and looking after asylum seekers is 0.3% of the total Govt. spend.

Kinda puts things into perspective doesn't it?

You will never halt illegal immigration

Spain have done an interesting thing. They have done an amnesty so everyone that's there illegally can now be regularized , access health care etc and importantly work legitimately providing a boost in the economy by them paying taxes

What, bringing about a colossal demographic crisis due to an ageing population and then hurriedly allowing lots of Chinese and Korean immigrants in after all?

(in the case of Japan).

So what’s the problem then? If communities are housing and paying for asylum seekers, why are they being kept in hotels and hostels? I assume these communities are organising jobs, English lessons and food as well?

Anyone illegally entering the country should be detained immediately.

Currently, they register and then disappear. They’re then vulnerable to exploitation because they have no recourse to public funds and no right to work. They are left with dodgy below minimum wage jobs that don’t pay tax/NI. Often end up victims of modern day slavery and living in unsafe housing.

Once they’re caught, they serve their prison sentence and are then deported if the UK have an agreement with their home country. They get their flight back and a resettlement grant. Being detained at entry point could prevent this. There would also be far less cannabis farms.

I don’t understand why this is a positive when Reform want it but Labour have been crucified for trying to reduce benefits? Don’t get me wrong I think Labour have ballsed uo, but it’s commonly said they ballsed up by their actions above, which are Reforms policy. I honestly don’t understand?