So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

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Reform has won by a landslide .... immigration is probably by the look of it the biggest issue. What can realistically without breaking laws be done to really halt this with a big impact ? What would Farage actually do ? Would and should we as a country break some laws to get this done and speak to what people really feel is an issue ? (Many countries do). This is not in labour's dna so I doubt anything will come if it now ... but if you've thought about it or you have solutions what are they ?
And if you are opposed- why and what's the answer ?

No, but it sends a huge signal to labour to start to do something about it while they can.

@LoremIpsumCici I don’t have a typo at all, I copied and pasted directly from the link I posted at 20:33 which was a report published on Monday, 04 November, 2019. It says very clearly which period it’s referring to, so I can only think you’re looking at a different link.

And I don’t know where you’re getting these ideas about the EU refusing applications four years before we left on the basis that we wouldn’t have time to appeal against a refusal, but that’s really not how Dublin works 😂 There are strict timescales for dealing with dispute resolution because the country making the request wouldn’t consider the person’s claim until a definitive no had been received from the third country. And even if they did, that certainly wouldn’t explain the low transfer figures under Dublin in the many years prior to the first hint of holding a referendum.

Oh, so we ask them nicely to leave with a removal order and they just go? Pull the other one mate. The people we are talking about are forcibly removed which is deportation If you don’t understand enough about immigration to know the difference between admin removal and deportation, then you could have just said so nicely and I’d have explained it to you. https://immigrationbarrister.co.uk/deportation-vs-removal-key-differences-uk-immigration-law/ Here you go, this sets it all out very clearly.

But not by small channel boats from France. The method was not attractive preBrexit because it involves going from one EU country to another EU country which would meet Dublin III standards.

I said the small boats crisis is a direct consequence of Brexit.

Please do not invent a strawman of all illegal immigration is a consequence of Brexit to deflect from the facts. No one with a modicum of sense would attempt to argue that.

No, I followed your link and opened up the data table under the Dublin Regulation heading,

low transfer figures under Dublin in the many years prior to the first hint of holding a referendum.

figures you haven’t posted or linked to.

Well then I don’t know what to tell you because I’ve just clicked on it and it opened right up to the paras I copied and pasted from.

You have taken fact A, we left the EU, and fact B, the numbers of small boat arrivals have increased, and you have determined that the only possible conclusion is that fact A is the cause of Fact B. You have repeatedly ignored several posters trying to explain to you that there are a number of factors that you haven’t taken into account (one of whom confirms they have over 30 years in the job, whereas you don’t even know what a Deportation Order is) and you have fabricated the most ridiculous scenarios like we could be bothered to make requests for boat arrivals and that EU countries fobbed us off for four years because they knew we’d be going for a hard Brexit. I’m happy to explain, discuss and/ or debate this with anyone, but I’m not prepared to waste my time if you’re refusing to engage your critical thinking skills. At this point, it’s very clear that you’ve just dug your heels in.

we wouldn’t have time to appeal against a refusal, but that’s really not how Dublin works 😂

“Appeals against Dublin decisions are also very common. It is a fundamental right, but it prolongs many Dublin procedures, as the rate of appeal is high in all States, up to 80%.”

that certainly wouldn’t explain the low transfer figures under Dublin in the many years prior to the first hint of holding a referendum.

Always been low, it just got even lower post Brexit for the following reasons:
Admin burden
“The Dublin system therefore generates a considerable administrative, human and financial burden, while only 11% of transfers are actually carried out.”

Member States noncooperation which increased between EU and UK post Brexit:
“Once a transfer decision has been taken, Member States have six months (18 months if the applicant absconds) to carry out the transfer. After that, the issuing State becomes responsible for the request. In practice, this limited period of responsibility can encourage Member States who have been asked to take in asylum seekers to delay transfers. It also prompts asylum seekers to stay out of the procedure, and then to apply in another State.”

Source: European Parliament Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs. Fabienne Keller

Great then post a screenshot.

this is the link embedded in the Home Office figures.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-statistics-year-ending-june-2019/list-of-tables#asylum

Are you telling me you cut and pasted a paragraph and never actually looked at the embedded link to see if the data backed up the paragraph you copied?

This paragraph of yours
”According to Home Office figures, between 2015 and 2018, 7,365 incoming requests were made to transfer people into the UK under the Dublin regulation, from which 2,365 people were transferred to the UK (some requests may still be pending)”

The home office figures embedded link goes to figures from 2017 to 2019 in relation to the Dublin Regulation not 2015 to 2018.

You want a screenshot of the link I posted at 20:33? Ok. The date of publishing is in the green bit at the top and the bit I copied and pasted is in the second screenshot.

And that’s your lot from me because I’ve hit my tolerance level for today.

ETA, it says the images are under review and to check back, so if you want them that much, you’ll have to wait.

I know. That’s because the link goes to the HO website, which is updated. If you want the stats that Melissa Macdonald, an assistant research analyst, and Hannah Wilkins, a senior researcher at the House of Commons Library specialising in immigration and asylum research, refer to, then you can find them yourself. I’m not going to all that effort for someone who just makes stuff up to support their point.

I've just googled Leicester in 2016 and funnily enough found this article from January 2016;

Thousands of Indians entered Britain illegally using fake documents bought from criminals exploiting an immigration loophole exposed by The Mail on Sunday last week.

The forged papers entitle holders to obtain EU passports using a bizarre but entirely legitimate back door which gives those living in former Portuguese colonies the right to come to Europe.

An estimated 3,000 Indians have entered the UK in this manner with the help of a gang operating in Lisbon, London and Leicester, paying the criminals up to £22,000 a time.

Under Portuguese law, Indians born in Goa, Diu and Daman before 1961, or their children and grandchildren, can apply for Portuguese passports because these were colonies of Portugal until that year.

As a result, 20,000 Indians [see also a higher figure quoted in the article below] obtained Portuguese passports in India, and came straight to Britain without even setting foot in Portugal.

Now we can reveal that Portuguese police and the UK’s Home Office and National Crime Agency have gathered evidence indicating that 3,000 Indians obtained the passports with false birth and marriage certificates provided by the gang.

In December [2015] Home Office, NCA investigators, Leicestershire Police and Portuguese immigration officers raided seven properties in Leicester and one in London.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-3413942/How-3-000-Indians-got-UK-fake-papers-sold-Portuguese-gangs-exploiting-immigration-loophole.html

According to this article published in 2022 - 143,018 people born in India applied to the EU Settlement Scheme - 72,921 with EU passports plus 70,097 non-EEA family members.

The most common non-EU country of birth for EU nationals is India. The most common EU nationality for people born in India is Portuguese. This is because Goa, Daman and Diu were Portuguese colonies. 55,788 Portuguese nationals currently resident in the UK were born in India.

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/diversity-eu-national-population-uk/