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So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

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Wellwhatnowbellaboo · 09/05/2026 10:06

Reform has won by a landslide .... immigration is probably by the look of it the biggest issue. What can realistically without breaking laws be done to really halt this with a big impact ? What would Farage actually do ? Would and should we as a country break some laws to get this done and speak to what people really feel is an issue ? (Many countries do). This is not in labour's dna so I doubt anything will come if it now ... but if you've thought about it or you have solutions what are they ?
And if you are opposed- why and what's the answer ?

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Winter2020 · 09/05/2026 18:21

MagpiePi · 09/05/2026 11:56

Unlike all those British expats living in Dubai who are fully integrated in the local language and culture. 🤔

If Dubai didn't want any Brits arriving they sure as shit wouldn't sit hand ringing as to how to achieve it. They would say no and people would listen wouldn't they as they wouldn't want to know the consequences if they didn't.

likelysuspect · 09/05/2026 18:22

Vivienne1000 · 09/05/2026 18:13

If they have a passport they have residency n that country. So they go back there and claim asylum from that country.

They may have residency in other countries though and it may not be safe for them to go back to the country that they were originally from. The country may not accept it. Im telling why its not as straightforward as people think it is.

You dont claim asylum from outside the UK anyway, lots of us have reminded posters of this. Not sure why this keeps getting forgotten as surely people do know this?

Winter2020 · 09/05/2026 18:32

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 09/05/2026 12:21

Illegal immigrants cannot access benefits of any kind. So already done!

Except for the fully paid room all bills included and 3 meals a day or £49 to feed self. Aside from legal aid. But yes aside from bed, board and legal aid no benefits at all.

user1484056932 · 09/05/2026 18:33

asdbaybeeee · 09/05/2026 13:02

A lot do many countries have far more asylum seekers than the uk

So they should a lot more countries (France, Germany and Spain are a lot bigger than the UK) the UK is already overcrowded especially England and it’s not sustainable to allow tens of thousands of unvetted men each year in to the UK in hotels then HMOs, the infrastructure in the UK can’t cope with it. It’s absurd how many people don’t see the major problem of uncontrolled immigration and how many towns and cities are unrecognisable from even 10yrs ago.

Whatifitallgoesright · 09/05/2026 18:37

Denmark seems to have turned it around according to chapgpt.

What has denmark done to reduce illegal immigration?

Denmark has adopted one of Europe’s toughest immigration and asylum systems over the past decade, especially after the 2015 migrant crisis. The policies mainly target irregular migration, rejected asylum seekers, and long-term integration problems.
Some of the main measures include:
Stricter asylum rules
Temporary rather than permanent refugee protection permits.
Frequent reviews of refugee status so protection can be withdrawn if a country is later judged “safe.”
Longer waits for family reunification in some cases.
Border controls and enforcement
Denmark reintroduced checks on its border with Germany despite the Schengen system.
Police gained broader powers to detain and identify undocumented arrivals.
Transport companies can be fined for carrying passengers without proper ID into Denmark.
Faster deportation and return policies
Rejected asylum seekers are often placed in “departure centres” while awaiting removal.
Denmark has pushed harder for deportations of foreign nationals convicted of serious crimes.
Authorities have sought agreements with third countries for asylum processing and returns, including discussions involving Rwanda, though a Rwanda system was never fully implemented.
Reducing incentives to claim asylum
Lower welfare payments for asylum seekers.
Rules allowing authorities to seize valuables from asylum seekers to help cover accommodation costs.
Restrictions on asylum seekers choosing their own housing.
“Parallel society” / “ghetto” laws
Areas with high unemployment, crime, poverty, and large non-Western immigrant populations can be designated “parallel societies.”
Local authorities can reduce social housing in those areas, relocate residents, or limit who can move in.
Supporters say this prevents segregation; critics argue it discriminates against ethnic minorities. Parts of the policy have faced legal challenges in EU courts.
Tougher integration and citizenship standards
Stronger Danish language requirements.
Cultural and employment requirements for permanent residency and citizenship.
Policies designed to encourage rapid integration into Danish society.
Supporters argue these policies sharply reduced asylum applications and helped maintain public support for immigration control. Critics say some measures may violate human rights norms or unfairly target minorities. Denmark’s approach has become influential in debates across Europe, including in the United Kingdom.

How much has immigration dropped?

Denmark has seen a very large drop in asylum migration since the peak of the European migrant crisis.
The clearest figures are for asylum applications:
Around 21,000 asylum applications in 2015
Around 2,000–2,300 applications in 2024–2025
That is roughly a 90% decline over a decade.
Some additional context:
Applications fell from more than 20,000 in 2015 to about 6,000 in 2016, a drop of roughly 70% in a single year after Denmark and other Nordic countries tightened controls.
Monthly asylum applications peaked at over 5,000 in November 2015, but were only about 100 per month in early 2026 according to Eurostat data.
Denmark approved asylum for only 864 people in 2024, one of the lowest totals in decades.
A few important caveats:
These numbers mostly refer to asylum seekers and irregular migration, not all immigration.
Denmark still has legal immigration through:
work visas,
EU free movement,
students,
and family reunification.
Denmark also accepted large numbers of displaced Ukrainians under a separate temporary protection system, which are often counted separately from asylum statistics.
Supporters of the Danish model argue the tougher policies directly reduced arrivals. Critics argue broader European trends also mattered, including:
the EU-Turkey migration deal,
tighter border controls across Europe,
and changing migration routes.

EasternStandard · 09/05/2026 18:38

likelysuspect · 09/05/2026 18:09

And we'll pay more if people want to increase removals to third countries. They inevitably mean countries that people have travelled to. I cannot tell you the rabbit holes that the HO go down back and forth, back and forth trying to effect negotiation with the likes of Turkey, Albania so on and so on.

Putting Aus and UK in as who pays more for the asylum process it’s the UK system overall.

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 18:40

smallglassbottle · 09/05/2026 17:30

Why would the entire family be unemployed? The majority of pip claimants are working.

Actually only 13%-18% work, and those who do often work minimum hours!

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 18:42

Winter2020 · 09/05/2026 18:32

Except for the fully paid room all bills included and 3 meals a day or £49 to feed self. Aside from legal aid. But yes aside from bed, board and legal aid no benefits at all.

Think that’s quite enough, don’t you?

Fluffypuppy1 · 09/05/2026 19:07

JumpLeadsForTwo · 09/05/2026 15:09

Oh but the vast majority do. We have something like 0.4% of the world’s refugees. Most stay close to their country of origin. Germany take far more in than us, and within Europe, we are way down the list of the numbers within each country.

Other countries may take more refugees than the UK, but it is usually on a more temporary basis.

Germany gives refugee and asylum status with a residence permit for 3 years. This can be extended if there still is a crisis in your home country. For permanent residence you have to have an exceptionally high level of German, and be financially self sufficient.

Germany also has been deporting any convicted criminals regardless of their country of origin, including deportations to Afghanistan and Syria.

Laurmolonlabe · 09/05/2026 19:18

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 09/05/2026 15:13

Incorrect, surely?

2024–2024 days indicates over 95% of long-term immigration into the UK is legal, with roughly 948,000–1 million people arriving through legal visa routes (work, study, or family) compared to approximately 44,000–49,000 who arrive via irregular methods, such as small boats

You think 1 million people arrived legally and that visa applications were checked and processed?
We don't have enough civil servants to process a quarter of those applications even if every civil servant from every department worked on it. lt takes months for DWP (the department with the most civil servants) months to get through a few thousand rush in benefit applications. Visa applications are processed in the Home Office which has a tiny fraction of the amount of civil servants of DWP. It might be what official data says but it is impossible the Home Office processed 1 million visas, absolutely impossible.

Fluffypuppy1 · 09/05/2026 19:35

smallglassbottle · 09/05/2026 17:30

Why would the entire family be unemployed? The majority of pip claimants are working.

They’re not. Only around 16% of PIP claimants are in work.

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 19:36

KTheGrey · 09/05/2026 18:04

It’s not the numbers it’s the type.

People in small boats are overwhelmingly adult males and frequently don’t seem to have papers, so nothing can really be known about them.

If you are a criminal coming over on a boat to the UK is just sensible.

That is an incentive problem.

Particularly because when you commit a crime here the system doesn’t deport you to
your home country if they might infringe your human rights because of your crime.

At some point I think we need to be clear about whether we are willing to be responsible for the standards of behaviour of other countries. A man who would be at risk in his native country as a rapist obviously made a pretty informed decision to rape somebody and being The Country Where It’s Cushty To Be A Rapist is another incentive problem and also a terrible problem in itself.

A man who would be at risk in his native country as a rapist obviously made a pretty informed decision to rape somebody and being The Country Where It’s Cushty To Be A Rapist is another incentive problem and also a terrible problem in itself.

What does this mean? You think the UK is a country that’s more lenient on sexual
violence than countries small boat arrivals are leaving?

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 19:40

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 19:36

A man who would be at risk in his native country as a rapist obviously made a pretty informed decision to rape somebody and being The Country Where It’s Cushty To Be A Rapist is another incentive problem and also a terrible problem in itself.

What does this mean? You think the UK is a country that’s more lenient on sexual
violence than countries small boat arrivals are leaving?

Yes?

Many countries have the death penalty or life imprisonment for rape.

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 19:40

Fluffypuppy1 · 09/05/2026 19:35

They’re not. Only around 16% of PIP claimants are in work.

Correct, but a lot try and convince us its a much higher percentage!

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 19:41

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 19:40

Yes?

Many countries have the death penalty or life imprisonment for rape.

Snd them there,then!

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 19:54

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 19:40

Yes?

Many countries have the death penalty or life imprisonment for rape.

Well, a handful of countries do have the death penalty yes, but it’s almost always for rape in specific circumstances - for example of a child, or where it results in death of the victim. And it’s rare that it’s used, at least partly because countries that have it have poor records on women’s rights, so it’s hard for women to even report.

Life imprisonment is also the maximum sentence for rape in England and Wales.

It’s an odd thing to link though, I haven’t seen a single case of a man seeking asylum here because the UK is more lenient on rape. Maybe you have.

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 20:15

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 19:54

Well, a handful of countries do have the death penalty yes, but it’s almost always for rape in specific circumstances - for example of a child, or where it results in death of the victim. And it’s rare that it’s used, at least partly because countries that have it have poor records on women’s rights, so it’s hard for women to even report.

Life imprisonment is also the maximum sentence for rape in England and Wales.

It’s an odd thing to link though, I haven’t seen a single case of a man seeking asylum here because the UK is more lenient on rape. Maybe you have.

Edited

This man came here to escape the death penalty after being convicted of murder in his home country.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/asylum-seeker-brighton-beach-rape-murder-egypt

Asylum seeker found guilty of Brighton beach rape is 'convicted murderer in Egypt'

The attack occurred in the early hours of October 4 last year after the 33-year-old victim became separated from her friends following a night out at a nightclub

https://www.gbnews.com/news/asylum-seeker-brighton-beach-rape-murder-egypt

SoSoSoSickofthis · 09/05/2026 20:35

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 17:10

And yet so many of them need translators as they can’t speak English.

’opportunities’ is not a reason for asylum, that makes someone an economic migrant.

You can be a sanctuary seeker AND make a choice on where you seek that sanctuary based on personal choices.

WooWooWinnie · 09/05/2026 20:41

mydogisthebest · 09/05/2026 12:58

I can't blame them for wanting to come here if they have family here or if they speak english but to put their lives at risk when they are already in a safe country is crazy. I certainly do blame them for putting their childrens' lives at risk in boats though

I think there is a compassionate line of thought here too…..how desperate are you if you feel that that is your best option? It’s not free either - families spend their life savings on those risky boat trips (that I don’t doubt are mis-sold). No wonder they arrive traumatised and with nothing. Don’t believe the rhetoric about them being put up in nice hotels either….i work in those hotels, they are absolute cesspits. There are many people quietly profiting from this system and that is what needs tackling IMO. Not just a blanket approach of taking everyone’s right away, starting with the most vulnerable. Sort out “the immigrants” and the women are next.

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 20:51

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 20:15

This man came here to escape the death penalty after being convicted of murder in his home country.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/asylum-seeker-brighton-beach-rape-murder-egypt

The article says he came here to ‘evade a lengthy jail sentence’.

I’m in favour of rejecting applicants with serious convictions for violence, but making up stories doesn’t support your point at all.

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 20:58

Allisnotlost1 · 09/05/2026 20:51

The article says he came here to ‘evade a lengthy jail sentence’.

I’m in favour of rejecting applicants with serious convictions for violence, but making up stories doesn’t support your point at all.

Eh? What do you mean? Murder is a serious conviction.

Here is another article on the story if the other wasn’t clear.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2197806/brighton-beach-rapist-three-star-hotel-egypt-murder-conviction/amp

Gcol · 09/05/2026 21:03

Though I would like them to have better English. That should be heavy waiting. A former colleague works for an organisation that deals with people trying to get visas. Most of them are from Middle East and east Africa (Etheria, Ethiopia, Sudan) via phone. Have to speak to them through interpreters. I can understand some of the legal terms, its possible that they may not able to understand this but conversational English could be good

Vivienne1000 · 09/05/2026 21:04

likelysuspect · 09/05/2026 18:22

They may have residency in other countries though and it may not be safe for them to go back to the country that they were originally from. The country may not accept it. Im telling why its not as straightforward as people think it is.

You dont claim asylum from outside the UK anyway, lots of us have reminded posters of this. Not sure why this keeps getting forgotten as surely people do know this?

My husband has worked in most dangerous countries in the world. They have an unrealistic idea of what the Uk can offer. Always the UK,never other countries. They want to escape, but when they come here they want those same traditions and way of life to continue here. Men from these countries do not respect women. And you lot are cheering them on and welcoming them with open arms. You need to live in these countries to see the reality of what we are encouraging.

Allseeingallknowing · 09/05/2026 21:07

Vivienne1000 · 09/05/2026 21:04

My husband has worked in most dangerous countries in the world. They have an unrealistic idea of what the Uk can offer. Always the UK,never other countries. They want to escape, but when they come here they want those same traditions and way of life to continue here. Men from these countries do not respect women. And you lot are cheering them on and welcoming them with open arms. You need to live in these countries to see the reality of what we are encouraging.

👏👏👏

Gcol · 09/05/2026 21:07

ilovesleep6 · 09/05/2026 20:58

Eh? What do you mean? Murder is a serious conviction.

Here is another article on the story if the other wasn’t clear.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2197806/brighton-beach-rapist-three-star-hotel-egypt-murder-conviction/amp

Edited

That link doesn't work try this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg090pe65vo

Also having a criminal record in another country - doesn't have to be your country of birth and doing criminal things should mean immediate deportation and serve the sentence in their home country.

Three pictures of men's faces up close. They all have brown eyes.

Three men guilty of 'callous' Brighton beach rape

The men, who are all asylum seekers, had denied targeting the woman in the early hours of October 4.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg090pe65vo