So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

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Reform has won by a landslide .... immigration is probably by the look of it the biggest issue. What can realistically without breaking laws be done to really halt this with a big impact ? What would Farage actually do ? Would and should we as a country break some laws to get this done and speak to what people really feel is an issue ? (Many countries do). This is not in labour's dna so I doubt anything will come if it now ... but if you've thought about it or you have solutions what are they ?
And if you are opposed- why and what's the answer ?

Totally true. Much like Brits where some of them work hard and pay taxes and contribute and some who choose to not work and are happy claiming benefits for life. Good thing when you immigrate you can’t claim any benefits then.

I don’t think that’s the case, no documentation doesn’t prevent it.

No, not having documentation does not prevent you from seeking asylum. Under international law, specifically the 1951 Refugee Convention, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in a signatory country, even if they used irregular means (such as lack of documents) to escape persecution.

I would find it offensive (to you) to put all immigrants in the same bracket. There’s a big difference between someone who has jumped through hoops to go through the legal channels, paid all the necessary fees, done all the paperwork, and wants to contribute to work and pay tax etc, and someone who arrives undocumented on a small boat.

Refugees and asylum seekers are entitled to support of varying kinds.

We have the legislation but perhaps not the constant enthusiasm.

You could have a million immigration officers and there would still be no way of knowing if a man from Afganistan, Syria, Sudan etc has committed crimes or is a safe person in our country.

Deportation to a third country is the only way to stop the boats arriving. This won't be a case of deporting 40,000 people a year to Rwanda because when the people know that arriving in Britain will lead to them being deported to Rwanda 39,800 of them won't choose to come.

The 60,000 that arrive by other routes and claim asylum I would say if you arrive on a holiday you can't claim asylum, if you arrive as a student you can't claim asylum etc. If you overstay you will not be allowed back into Britain in future.

I worry about your comprehension, thinking services are free, because that’s what you wrote.

And yes, I understand they get for free what many of us pay for.

Unfortunately for you, your opinion doesn’t dictate the law. Plenty do stop in the first safe country, but there’s no requirement to do so in the refugee convention.

In a world of 8 billion people where a great many of them live in shit conditions our asylum obligations need to be targeted/focused and of our choice through a process e.g. when we assisted Afgans that worked with the British using a process based in Afganistan.

Surely 1 and 2 contradict each other? And number 3 is already true - asylum seekers receive a basic allowance and do not have access to the benefit system.

Im talking short hand, it doesnt prevent it full stop, it makes it a lot harder though.

This would just create a draw to a focal point in France and the people that you decline would be in the right place to jump on a boat regardless.

I didnt say services are free, I was setting out in answer to someone else about what they recive and what they actually have to pay for. But you know that and are just being argumentative becuase you got it wrong when you first responded.

They do not, have to pay for NHS care or education for their children. Just like anyone who is also not contributing financially by way of tax or NI

But you know that also.

And what about you?

Are you a volunteer or do you get paid?

You don’t have to answer, of course!

Oh, and I didn’t get it wrong.

You wrote that education and NHS are free.

National ID card that has to be carried at all times like in Germany, Japan etc and proper border control - also when leaving the country.
Hard message including PR campaign in Syria, Libya etc that people without the right visa will be turned back on arrival.
And we needed to be much stricter 30 years ago that the entire extended family couldn’t come and get educated, access healthcare at our expense.
It infuriates me that because point 2 was not taken care of from the 90s onwards, we now face being governed by right wing nut jobs with no experience of running anything or of government and potentially suffering under point 1.

Third country processing will stop the boats. The people would only board the boat if they would rather live in Rwanda than France.

A third country we have to pay for though.

Through the nose.

Here

We pay now.

It’s not the numbers it’s the type.

People in small boats are overwhelmingly adult males and frequently don’t seem to have papers, so nothing can really be known about them.

If you are a criminal coming over on a boat to the UK is just sensible.

That is an incentive problem.

Particularly because when you commit a crime here the system doesn’t deport you to
your home country if they might infringe your human rights because of your crime.

At some point I think we need to be clear about whether we are willing to be responsible for the standards of behaviour of other countries. A man who would be at risk in his native country as a rapist obviously made a pretty informed decision to rape somebody and being The Country Where It’s Cushty To Be A Rapist is another incentive problem and also a terrible problem in itself.

So firstly you said that I said we should take more and I asked you where I said that?

You produce this post where I have been clear that if people are arguing that we should take a quota based on size, we would end up taking more becuase we take a small amount pro rata, based on our size.

And we'll pay more if people want to increase removals to third countries. They inevitably mean countries that people have travelled to. I cannot tell you the rabbit holes that the HO go down back and forth, back and forth trying to effect negotiation with the likes of Turkey, Albania so on and so on.

If they have a passport they have residency n that country. So they go back there and claim asylum from that country.

4% of people that arrived on small boats between 2018 and Sept 2025 were returned.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-september-2025/how-many-people-are-returned-from-the-uk
"Processing" people is a complete waste of time. They need to be stopped from arriving (third country processing). It is too late when they are here the vast vast majority are staying. Even if they are declined they are staying. Even if they commit crime they are staying in the vast majority of cases.

Except you cannot legally claim asylum in the UK if you are not already in the UK...

If we made it that you could do so, then people wouldn't need to cross by boat so that they can claim asylum.