So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

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Reform has won by a landslide .... immigration is probably by the look of it the biggest issue. What can realistically without breaking laws be done to really halt this with a big impact ? What would Farage actually do ? Would and should we as a country break some laws to get this done and speak to what people really feel is an issue ? (Many countries do). This is not in labour's dna so I doubt anything will come if it now ... but if you've thought about it or you have solutions what are they ?
And if you are opposed- why and what's the answer ?

And in France they live in tents…..

Each country has to agree to take the person back. We would have to have proof of the country in the first place

The legal route for someone to claim asylum in this country is to do so at point of entry, there is no other route.

And why not? Clearly it's not fit for purpose. When the human rights of bona fide criminals, which make no mistake is exactly what anyone who enters the country illegally is, are protected more than the human rights of people who are native to a country there's a problem.

And those dodgy legal advisors and firms telling the illegals to say they are gay, or whatever. They need clamping down on. The number of them in cities, all claiming legal aid (fees increased last year by 10%) is another layer and complete steal of taxpayers money. It’s an absolute racket.

What has changed in terms of funding and collaboration?

On how many we’d take if it was based on population density England would have fewer than most places in EU and Wales and Scotland could take more.

Hope you’re in the top 1% of tax payers to pay for it all.

What happens to British born people who are muslims? Would they have to worship in secret?

Two Hundred Thousand. Four Per Cent Removed. This Is the Record.

A milestone was passed today. Over two hundred thousand people have crossed the English Channel illegally since 2018. That is the population of Norwich arriving uninvited over eight years. Of that number, fewer than 8,000 have been deported. That is under four per cent. The boats keep coming. The removal rate stays static. And the government calls this a managed situation.

The numbers surrounding this milestone are equally damning. Forty-one thousand crossed last year alone, a thirteen per cent rise on the year before. Seventy-six per cent of arrivals are adult men. The threat level has been raised to severe. Foreign nationals imprisoned for sexual offences have reached a record high. Three hotel migrants were convicted of gang rape in Brighton last month. A 12-year-old girl was raped in Nuneaton by Ahmad Mulakhil, an Afghan who had arrived four months earlier on a small boat. He was processed, housed, handed a Home Office debit card, and left unsupervised in a community that never consented to the risk.

The small boats are not the whole picture. Nearly 3,500 asylum seekers from 112 countries including Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria and Libya entered Britain using visa schemes designed specifically for Ukrainians fleeing the Russian invasion. The same countries MI5 has publicly identified as primary sources of Islamist terror plots against British citizens on British soil. And a secret Afghan resettlement programme was run under a superinjunction for years, meaning Parliament and the public were legally barred from knowing it existed. It cost £400 million. The public found out in July 2025 when the injunction was lifted.

This is how 200,000 becomes possible. Boats across the Channel. Legal schemes hollowed out and filled with nationals of 112 countries never intended to use them. Secret programmes run behind superinjunctions. And a removal rate of four per cent that has barely moved in eight years.

On St George's Day, April 23, the Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood signed a £662 million deal with France and called it a landmark. The detention centre at the heart of it holds 140 people. In the week that followed, French authorities intercepted 74 of 323 attempted crossings. The arithmetic requires no commentary. Days later the 200,000 milestone was passed anyway.

Meanwhile the 2039 accommodation contracts, worth an estimated £10 billion, sit quietly in the background. You do not sign thirteen-year housing contracts for a problem you intend to solve. You sign them for a situation you have decided is permanent, while maintaining for public consumption that the boats will stop and the hotels will close.

The lie is not that the system is broken. Broken systems can be fixed. The lie is that anyone in authority is seriously trying to fix it. The contracts, the interception rates, the removal figures and the milestones all point in the same direction. This is not failure. It is policy.

It costs us a lot more, a lot more and we cant rely on reciprocal returns in the way we used to. Theres more detail than that, but thats the upshot.

I didnt say we would take more than other EU countries, I said we would take more than we do now. I talked about the UK in general, I didnt separate it out into our countries.

I would like to ask people like this: when would be the point where they say ‘stop’?

When the population hits 100 million? 1 billion? When there is no countryside left because we’ve had to built houses on every spec of land?

Having a tough policy like Australia where cases are processed offshore and people are never allowed to settle within this countryunless they can prove they have some unique skill that we need.. We could process them on cold and miserable Scottish islands and send them to the Fallklands to build a nice new life there. Another cold wet miserable place.

But they are housed and fed and receive medical treatment, given taxi transport, free legal aid to fight their claim. They are better off than some British citizens who have to pay for EVERY one of those things.

What is that then, £1500 per month or more?

Yes it might not pass their hands, but it’s a free bloody holiday isn’t it?

Then the illegal working at the dodgy shop.

Don’t be so bloody naive.

One area that is increased by expats is animal charities and charities for Cancer and other conditions.

Oh yes, those groundbreaking cancer charities in Spain. How would we exist without them.

We have national institutions dedicated to cancer research and an investment of over €1 billion in the last 7 years towards the disease. Spanish hospitals are at the top of the leaderboard in Europe when it comes to research and cancer treatments. I’m not making this up, it’s off Google.

The health service here works, so the need for charities is much, much smaller than in countries such as the UK. Our taxes are higher, and healthcare is well funded.

It feels incredibly patronising to hear “yes, we’ve priced locals out of their hometowns but it’s okay, we’ve set up an animal rescue and cancer charity near Benidorm so our impact on Spain was a good one”.

Disclaimer - my closest friends are migrants too. I have nothing against people who move here from other countries per se. It’s incredibly annoying when they try to convince you they did me a favour by doing so. Say it how it is. Land and houses are cheaper, the sun is brighter, and people didn’t mind buying in to that.

Objectively, the only solution is to go back into the EU and fully utilise the provision that allows return to the 1st safe (EU) country No it isn’t. I think people genuinely believe that people would arrive here and we could just say ‘Nope, back you go’. There is a fundamental misunderstanding of how the Dublin Convention worked and the criteria that had to be met.

The reason for the small boats is Brexit. Traffickers know that people can't be easily sent back because we are outside the EU Again, no it isn’t. The numbers of small boats begin rising several years before we left the EU and Dublin. The numbers began increasing at the same time as increased security checks on freight in the ports and traffickers realising it was easier, safer for them and more lucrative to put 70 people on a cheap boat on a deserted beach than it was to get five or ten people at a time through the security measures and lorry drivers and into the back of a lorry. We weren’t sending asylum seekers back in any great numbers before we left the EU.

I’m also unsure why people think having ID cards would change anything. There are already laws and substantial penalties for any employer found to be hiring someone who doesn’t have permission to work. The people who hire in the black economy and pay cash in hand to people, are well aware that those people don’t have permission to work. They just don’t care and are working on the basis that they won’t get caught. ID cards won’t change that.

This. People who say they don’t get benefits are disingenuous. They don’t even have to worry about putting the heating on as that’s paid for too. Every basic need is paid for while many working people have had to choose between heating and eating.

@WilfredsPiesalways appreciate your posts on this even though so few say ok they get it now.

Do you mean the Dublin Agreement. People have misunderstood the extent of this.

Would if it were 2014. Had the biometric ID cards since 2015. Do you think it’s done much?

Absolutey correct.

So what are the French expected to do for all the money we pay them?

Lots.

No NHS access until you’ve contributed x amount of tax and lived here for x years

no benefits without contributing x amount first

can only take out what you put in

no paying illegal immigrants to leave the country

a decent scoring system like Australia and Canada

if you have no ID you’re deported, tough shit. Come in on a boat, back out again within 24h. Stop housing immigrants etc. if you come here you need a job and a house sorted before you can even arrive.

we reward illegal immigration here. No wonder it’s constant.

Before we left the EU, that was being set up. But we opted out.

We know those ones coming from France aren't asylum seekers

And I yours (I suspect that’s appalling grammar but you’ll get my point).

I don’t know how so many people can be aware of Dublin but completely unaware of how it works or how effective it was for the UK.

Not alone no although that doesnt help, you can look it up, Im in the sun and cant be arsed but our collaboration with France in particular, our partners has changed which is why we are paying a huge amount more, I mean a huge amount, to have slightly less collaboration than we did before

We've worked with families sent back to France recently but these are specific deals which have to be arrnaged one by one, not like we had before

There are databases we no longer have access to any more, as an automatic although we obivously have cross border international support.

We lost out, that is the reality.