So what can in practical terms fully halt illegal immigration?

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Reform has won by a landslide .... immigration is probably by the look of it the biggest issue. What can realistically without breaking laws be done to really halt this with a big impact ? What would Farage actually do ? Would and should we as a country break some laws to get this done and speak to what people really feel is an issue ? (Many countries do). This is not in labour's dna so I doubt anything will come if it now ... but if you've thought about it or you have solutions what are they ?
And if you are opposed- why and what's the answer ?

Ha ha ha ha all immigrants already have biometric ID cards. They were introduced in 2015.

Hmmm, thinking cap on again. Back to the simplest solution then, slash the boats! Stop them getting on them. Of course the French don’t want to do that! That’s what they should always have been doing. Raise the criteria for eligibility to live in the U.K. There’s not a one size fits all. Useless to keep saying it’s a small amount of people and money. It’s big enough to make a difference, as people who were interviewed in the street before the local elections, made clear.

My son is at a university with a lot of international students. Some are his friends. They all are very thorough about attending the lectures because otherwise the university will report them. So if a Russell Group University were not doing that, they should have been reported. They were at fault there, not the students. The law is clear on this. Same with a student working (presumably illegally) during lectures. It should have been reported.
My school works closely with a local uni and has had many international students coming to volunteer over they years. Most of them are from wealthy families and go back to their privileged lives after graduation.
Surely if you are getting to the country to earn money you are not going to use the university route. What illegal jobs pay enough to be able to afford over £40000 a year in fees?

I think we should have a one in, one out policy. We put together a national database of all the British nationals that are happy to allow asylum seekers to have full access to citizenship and the NHS, welfare etc and we ship those Nationals out to the country if the individual entering the country. This would obviously be dependant on the asylum seeker having the correct paperwork on entry and would also need to involve the British National having accommodation that the asylum seeker could occupy.

This is a workable solution as we don’t then have a problem with finding accommodation for rhe asylum seeker although obviously paying bills on the residence could be problematic. Perhaps access to welfare for a set amount of time to get them on their feet? It would also allow the British National to contribute to building uo the developing country the asylum seeker has left.

Ha ha ha we have that too.

https://ukvisacenter.com/en/other/uk-visa-centres/france/

I can tell you what the French think (i previously worked in immigration and met my French counterparts often). Their view is our benefits are too generous and we don’t have ID cards meaning we have a thriving black economy. The French regularly used to tell us the solution was in our own hands and so they saw no need to try and stop anyone leaving France to come here.

This. We are a soft touch joke.

Yes, this is what my French relatives tell me.

Paying them millions is money for old rope then?

@AnneElliott I can well imagine it must be hugely frustrating for them.

ha ha ha then explain why Poland has mosques in all the major cities some dating back to the 14th century?

Let's be honest. Nigel Farage duped the public into thinking that Brexit would solve our immigration problems. What it did was make it 100 times worse ... no longer can we just return said asylum seekers to France.

Out of interest, genuine question, did you really not know that people dont have to seek asylum in the first safe country they get to? Also did you not know that we take a small proportion of asylum seekers compared to our size and in comparison pro rata to other countries?

Are you aware that our collaborative abilities with Europe changed after Brexit to our disadvantage?

Im interested to know how people dont know this.

It’s not true. It’s a fart in a teacup.

@HermioneWeasley ironically my polish sister in law' has said due to the iron curtain the eastern European counties haven't seen much diversity and can be quite racist

We already have a one in, one out policy- it’s a flop! The one you suggested wouldn’t work.

@likelysuspect do you really think we have any capacity to take more people in than we do legally ??

Yes, I know those things, but that doesn’t help the problem !

Yes although that is not for seeking asylum. You cant do that unless you're on our shores. You can request settlement here under a number of criteria but its very narrow.

People are talking about all sorts of immigrant here so the conversation veers from one thing to another.

Look up the numbers for this, here and anywhere else. No one is just sending people back otherwise Italy, Spain and Greece would have to take everyone back.

We took more than returned, criteria is high and the country has to say yes.

Ok, I got confused because you seemed to think that if a new scheme started where each country has to take a proportion based on size, the UK would have fewer asylum seekers, whereas we would have more. So you knew already it would lead to more?

You also said that they should be claiming asylum in the first safe country and when I pointed out they dont have to and this is legal you seemed suprrised and said this needed to change?

You've also made a comment about 'The French dont want to do that' in terms of preventing asylum seekers from getting on boats to come here but didnt seem to understand that our collaboration and funding to France changed after Brexit which means of course the joint work that we relied on, has changed slightly to our disadvantage

The French do try to stop people getting on boats because they dont have permission to make a channel crossing, the busiest channel in the world (dont quote me on that) and so they stop it from that perspective. Or try to.

Farage could send every single one back to their country of origin and tell them to reapply through the legal route. We are the end of them passing through many safe countries. We all know why that is.

Poland isn’t a Muslim country?

Im not sure where I said this? Could you point to it?

Is that really what we want for Britain?