To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

Indeed. Zia Yousef is a very useful idiot.

It’s called race washing, among other things. It reinforces ideas about assimilation and hierarchy of culture that some white people are comfortable with, and some black and brown people don’t mind acquiescing to. But it doesn’t mean the policies aren’t racist, or harmful to black and brown communities.

Theres a fair few non white reform top brass and increasingly non white voters. The Guardian did an article about some https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/23/british-indians-nigel-farage-reform-uk-harrow-local-elections.

Link doesn’t work.

Personally I think immigration is a bit of a red herring it's about money ,private health care companies getting in about NHS,watering down of employment law to benefit business.
Detention centres who'll get the contracts to build and staff.
There's probably a lot more besides.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/apr/23/british-indians-nigel-farage-reform-uk-harrow-local-elections

Immigration has actually fallen by two thirds since 2024.

The difficulty is because it doesn't improve anyone's life they assume it can't have fallen.

So governments don't get any credit for doing it.

Your link doesn't work, but as someone with very close links to British Indian communities, it doesn't surprise me that there are Indians who are attracted by the anti-Muslim rhetoric of Reform.

They manage to persuade themselves that it's the other black and brown people that Reform voters don't like. Not people like them.

Until they realise that most far right supporters can't tell the difference. Like the nutter who raped a Sikh woman because he hated Muslims.

I'm reminded again and again of Pastor Noemöller. "First they came for the Jews..."

And if you do believe that, how are you going to make them less thick and racist? I imagine this is quite important to you as they seem to be the ones voting and claiming power right now and they may do something you don't like.
I don't see any of the former major parties doing anything to appeal to these voters. SHOUTING AT THEM WON'T WORK!

And the grooming gangs who preyed on white girls as they saw them as subhuman and morally inferior? Or are we ignoring that for now?

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack you're determined to believe that only the British public are mindless racists, and the rest of the world, and in particular non white world, are a melting pot of highly intelligent and welcoming people. How do you square that with the fact we have one of the most left wing and socialist societies in the world, on a global scale?

Net migration, to be precise https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/yearendingjune2025

The people who want to believe their lives are shit because of immigrants will never believe the data, because their lives haven’t drastically changed for the better. They will never see the real causes of their (our!) shit lives as being about 14 years of austerity, zero investment in infrastructure, deregulating and taking profit out of utilities, leaving the single market…

I was never any supporter of Margaret Thatcher but at least "look after yourself and your family rather than relying on the state" had something about it to respect.

Today's whining Reform rhetoric "why can't the government give me loads of money while not charging me any tax" drives me nuts.

They don't want immigrants, they don't want the people who pay for their pensions to go to university, they don't want houses built, they don't want clean air, it's just whine, whine, whine.

Heard a work colleague yesterday moaning about how low her pension is going to be - between her State pension and occupational she's going to be on around £25,000 per year.

I'm not and would never be a Reform voter but I wouldn't try to write off, dismiss or explain away non white Reform voters or candidates reasons why.

I don’t believe my life is shit because of immigrants. Immigrants who are here legally, are no more or less worthy of being here than I am.

What does make my life shit are house prices, congested roads, low air quality, and all the other side effects of overpopulation.

And these are directly linked with the number of people in the country. We can’t deport British citizens, so the only answer is to stem
immigration.

I also don’t think all of our problems are caused by overpopulation, but many definitely are.

How do you know most Reform voters can’t tell the difference? Because of the crime you cited? One mentally ill racist ? By that logic all black men hate Jews? Because of the crime in Golders Green?

your throwaway pseudo logic is toxic.

Yes that poster clearly knows what is better for non white people more than they do, while simultaneously believing non white societies are far better and more enlightened than ours. Make it make sense.

For those suggesting that Reform are not racist and that their supporters are not racist, I present to you the newest member of Essex County Council: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/reform-uk-election-results-essex-37129362.amp

Bear in mind that Reform were made aware of this before the election, and he remained their chosen candidate.

Funny how so many similar countries in the EU manage to operate reasonably priced public transport, have reasonably functioning social care, free decent education systems, including tertiary education, and manage to fix their pot holes too!

And although you have to pay for health care, the amounts are modest in terms of what you receive in return because it’s covered by mandatory subsidised not for profit insurance companies that are heavily regulated by the government. (Regulation not being a dirty words when it comes to work safety standards, children’s toys, curbing rampant capitalism and ensuring health insurance companies keep the wellbeing of the patient at the centre of their operation.)

It can be done, but instead we voted to reject close political and economic alliance with our nearest largely centrist, Christian-democrat, EU neighbours, which sent us veering further to the right and more dependent on the Big Orange One in the USA! And look how well that has turned out… .

It makes me really cross when the same people who literally voted to be poorer, now complain about the consequences of their vote.

It is actually very easy. Just stop it or reduce it to a trickle of a few hundred people a year.

Yes I would never vote for Reform for this reason, I just can’t tolerate the possibility of things like this creeping in. I want rigorous immigration control and the end of the suicidal empathy showed toward people who take the piss, but I’m not a racist and have zero desire for ideas like this to become acceptable or the norm.

I think education is probably key, but we have really failed to invest in it properly for many, many years. And we are now reaping the rewards of decades of under investment with vast swathes of the population being incapable of basic critical thinking, unable to sort fact from fiction, unable to make informed decisions etc. We need much more resource in schools, and we need to rethink the curriculum to make it fit for the modern age in which people are constantly being targeted by misinformation and disinformation on social media. Everyone needs to be taught how to evaluate the information that they are receiving and how to check whether or not that information is accurate. How to spot bias and manipulative tactics etc.

It isn't just about investing in schools, either. It is about investing in families and support for parents to ensure that children can turn up at school ready to learn. Not hungry. Not poorly dressed. Not digitally excluded etc. And it's about investing heavily in the early years in order to try and level the playing field for those children who are already miles behind before they've started, and don't stand a chance of catching up.

It's about tackling the inequalities in our society around income, health, housing, aspiration and opportunity. It'a about tackling the fundamental injustices which make people look for someone else to blame. And it's about having the courage to stand up and challenge the false narrative that all of our problems are because of immigration.

And no, I don't see any party really putting forward for what we need to do. Hence the fact that I, like many people, have felt politically homeless for a long time. None of the parties are offering any answers right now. That isn't a justification for voting for a party that is likely to make things a whole lot worse.

No, not because of one crime that I cited, but because of the anti Muslim abuse that my non-Muslim husband has been experiencing ever since the Brexit referendum.

What ‘education’ do you think will somehow persuade the rest of the population to deprioritise their existing concerns and instead take on yours?

But the point is its not actually supposed to be a mosque, however it is being used as one and the council do absolutely nothing! Probably worried about being accused of racism!