To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

Have Reform actually managed to take a large naice middle class area yet? Thought not?…

If MN is privileged, it follows you aren’t going to find many pro Reform here. Looking at Richmond (the most sought after area in the UK), the Lib Dem’s have a full landslide (all 54 seats).

House prices in Reform areas will go down further, judging by MN. Like I said before, one could judge by the amount of flags both where they were going to win and generally how poor an area is.

On the upside, the Lib Dem’s are not doing too badly.

Essex is interesting but not really a surprise. Saw similar in Kent. They have always been the paupers In the SE, relatively speaking.

Exactly - well put.

So there’s insufficient parking for the current use. That’s annoying if it’s a route you need to travel through or you need to park nearby, and it could be dangerous. But it’s a council issue, not an Islam issue. If the building were being used as a nursery or for kids activities there’d be a lot of (bad) parking at specific times.

You want to be openly racist, to discriminate people based on their ethnicity/ race, to oppose equality for everybody, to speak and encourage hatred for the other openly?

It's a problem in every town (probably most of them now) where the population has grown but the infrastructure hasn't. Most schools were built for a world where all the kids lived locally and walked to the school and that's not the case in most towns or cities now.

It’s weird that all the residents of the streets surrounding the mosque are not Muslim isn’t it? They all complain about people driving to the mosque and parking in their streets.

Some people can't help themselves (projecting their own insecurities I expect). It tells us why Labour are where they are.

Expect more and more mosques to be built
'Whoever builds a mosque in which the Name of Allah is mentioned, Allah will build a house for him in Paradise'

Exactly. Which is exactly what Hitler did. Demonise a group. Promise to get rid of that group and BOOM! your problem is gone.

Except it won't be.

No, of course not. But the 'I'm not racist but...' brigade really wind me up.

They know they hate (insert minority group). We know they're racist. The pretence is just pathetic.

I'm not labelling anyone I know racist rhetoric when I see it.
I was on the fringes of extreme far right id ology .
I've committed racial hate crimes in the 90s and woke up to the fact it was all a load of bollocks.
I'm not advocating a free for all and sundry to walk into the UK.
It should be a strict procedure processed within 6months in the interest of fairness one appeal and if failed you get pinged out of the UK.
Not appeals lasting years.

The left are generally very shouty so probably seems like it

There was a Florida councilman who summed it up well re Trump, and I paraphrase:

" Not all the people who vote for Trump are racists. But all the racists do vote for Trump".

Applies well to Reform I think.

This local MP talking about inconsiderate parking outside two mosques is Sikh;

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-neighbourhood-friday-prayers-parking-33794781

Many racists vote green now. But I don't go around calling people antisemitic for voting Green.

Having looked at their policies, I’d describe them as populist left. Lots of sound bites and things people want to hear, but no concept of the complexities of reality which means if they get into power, they will either disillusion their voters because they can’t do what they promised, or they will attempt to implement their policies and collapse society in the process. In just the same way way as Reform are the populist right. Two sides of the same coin.

Being pro Palestinian isn't anti Semitic. It's anti Zionism.

I didn't say it was.

@Hoanna - I see that you're defending the right to hold traditional, Christian pro-English views in this country. I hope this means that you're a Christian because I've been wanting to ask a Christian Reform supporter...

Which bit of the Bible are you using to reconcile your faith with the policies and rhetoric of Reform UK? I'm assuming just the Old Testament.

Because it can't be do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Or love thy neighbour as thyself.

It definitely isn't love your enemies.

I can't see it being the parts of the Sermon on the Mount where Jesus warns against judgmental attitudes, false prophets, and hypocritical religious display, and emphasised the need to act on your words.

And it's deffo not the bit where Christ says you should give the shirt off your back to someone less fortunate than you.

Or the bits where he warns that the love of money is the root of all evil.

I can't think of a single reason why a Christian - as in, someone who follows the teachings of Christ - would be attracted to Reform, so I am hoping you can help me.

But that sounds a lot like reform 🤣

This is so rude, judgemental and ignorant.

I'm not Christian, but if you're saying Christianity is incompatible with controls on immigration then no country, and no UK political party is compatible with Christian values, they all impose limits to some degree.

Why is the Green party populist? What elite has it identified and opposed?

No other UK political party is wanging on about being a Christian nation and restoring Christian values though.

Farage wouldn't know a Christian value if it bit him on the arse.

His version of Christianity is going to church once a year at Christmas (if he can be bothered/is sober enough), accidentally watching some of Songs of Praise if it's on when his wife's sorting out his tea, and knowing half the words to the Lord's Prayer.