To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

I'd vote for you. So much sense.

Putin must be laughing his head off

That’s because they are racist and stupid.

Most can’t even tell you any of their policies besides immigration control.

My mum is one, because she believes her hateful Facebook algorithm.

It’s embarrassing.

How about get to know them? Say hello in the supermarket. Smile at the school gate. Wait to let them pass in tight traffic areas and put your hand up when they wave to say thank you.

Do you have the same intrenched 'different is bad' attitude towards Jews, Sikhs, Baptists?

They're just people. Living and working and raising families alongside you. Far deeper family values and much more focused on education than many of us Brits.

That’s because they are racist and stupid

Brilliant. I think Green voters are racist, misogynistic and stupid, so anyone who votes Green must be all of those things and I dont actually need to ask them to tell me their own thoughts because I know best. FACT.

Plenty of you on here. Populist politics are popular. Be as open about your racism as you’d like. You are ok.

I definately think this site has more of a lefty, Guardian reader type leaning.
I don't think there are that many of my fellow Scots on here.
I was v v surprised to learn that a few of my well educated colleagues had voted reform yesterday. 😮
I just never thought they would be so, eerrrm short sighted to vote for these , emmm, sorry can't find a diplomatic word for them.
Guess having had enough of the inadequate SNP has warped their brains 😂

While I disagree with the OK bit, I do agree that racism should be openly acknowledged. Hiding behind policies 'it's just illegals I disapprove of' is wrong.

If you are racist, own it and be open about it.

And if you can't do that without embarrassment, ask yourself why you can't be open.

There is a perception in some areas and with some people that multicultural means not a level playing field.

for example in my mums town a new big mosque has been built. The parking is a bloody nightmare. It basically doesn’t have any and the surrounding streets get full up.

this pisses residents off.

so far so normal. Parking is something of a hot button topic - see all the threads here about school parking and so on.

but the white working class people who live in this town (which is about half Pakistani heritage Muslim) believe very strongly that “you are not allowed to complain about Muslims” and there is a sense in which they are right as any verbal whinging about the parking at the mosque is shut down a lot harder than whinging about parking anywhere else.

the reform candidates for the council made quite a big thing over it - we’re not allowed to complain on social media about the parking at the mosque because the lefty libs will come along and tell us off and the lefty libs promptly did come along and tell them off.

british people want to moan. They particularly like to moan about parking and they are also very alert to suggestions of unfairness. If any moaning about anyone Muslim gets shut down while moaning about non Muslims is ok then that’s clearly unfair.

reform took Lancashire council in 2025 largely off the back of issues like this.

I expect them to be shit at running it. So do quite a lot of the people in my mums town. But reform really do speak to a lot of people on this sort of thing.

a lot of the left these days has gone down the “there are people you are not allowed to complain about and words you cannot say” and honestly if you don’t understand why this is it just comes across as controlling and childish.

This! Criticise Reform all you like but stop calling the voters thick

this could be said about the majority of the subjects on here!

That strategy from Labour is clearly not working. People are voting for anyone else.

The insults on this thread are really sad. People have been called cunts, ignorant, racist, deft, dumb, and hundreds of other things just because of their political opinion.
imagine admitting to being a Reform supporter in real life.
No wonder so many people pretend to have more acceptable voting intentions and then vote in silence and we have the „surprises” of Brexit, Reform and so on.

All deliveries were done early in the morning and the workers parked in the carpark! Unlike the literal hundreds that turn up at prayer times ( remember its not a mosque!!) and park all over the place causing havoc!

I live in a town that sounds exactly like that, and the issue isn't about being Muslim (apart from parking round the mosque which is a problem as most mosques were shoved in the middle of residential areas with probably no real thought as to how those communities might expand), it's about poverty. Most towns with large immigrant populations are not wealthy - because that is how and why immigrant communities end up in towns like that - and that's the case in my town. A lot could be solved by having a more effective and not-corrupt council, but unfortunately the local residents (mostly from the wealthy villages around the actual town) keep voting in a corrupt and useless Conservative council that doesn't care if the town falls to bits. It can always just blame the Muslim residents after all.

It’s not really a safe thing to say in this country is it?

My family live in Poland and some of them are openly racist, they can talk about it though as their views are socially accepted there. The country is proud of it’s stance on border control and immigration.

that’s not the case in the UK , therefore people are pushed underground or resort to voting for parties that appear to be the closest to their views (without sharing those views openly).

the debate here is very aggressive

Brexit wasn't a surprise to anyone, was it? I'm pretty sure the public would vote to bring back public executions if they were given a say. That's why a representative democracy is always better than a direct one. People are free to vote Reform and other people are equally free to call out their damaging and ill-conceived decisions.

TBF it's absolutely ridiculous to build a mosque - or any development that needs significant transport infrastructure - without proper access or parking. The current policy of just building any old shit, whether it's a housing estate or a public building, without considering the impact on the local (already creaking) infrastructure is not a good one. Would Reform do anything different? Nope. Not unless they can magic money up out of nowhere to massively improve Britain's roads. At the moment councils can't even afford to fix potholes.

They’ll vote for the party they think is going to listen to them, address the issue, and offer solutions. Those proposed solutions may be nonsense, but it’s something rather than nothing.

When your status quo is shit, and you can only see it continuing to worsen, then you’ll be more inclined towards radical parties.

Let’s go ahead and say that Reform are stupid and their voters reactionary and gullible. Fine. What then does that say about the self-professed intelligent people that are being outplayed by, and losing to, them?

Dismissing stated concerns as, ironically, ‘fake news’ is not smart. Deriding the very people you need to appeal to and have the support of is not smart. Refusing to acknowledge what is because it doesn’t suit the ideological vision of what you think should be is not smart. Neglecting the importance of messaging because you think you should be able to win simply by virtue of intelligence points instead to arrogance and stupidity.

Council problem then.

I would agree that Mumsnet is largely left leaning. And not therefore a balance nor representative of the UK as a whole.

Brexit caused the small boats problem. Before Brexit we didn’t have this issue as we could send them back to the first EU country they came through

The small boat crisis first escalated in 2018 - after tighter security was introduced around the port/ferry/Channel Tunnel terminals in France, including this security wall;
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/06/uk-immigration-minister-confirms-work-will-begin-on-big-new-wall-in-calais

we could send them back to the first EU country they came through

The BBC reported that over 850,000 migrants/asylum seekers entered the EU via Greece in one year in 2015. How did that work then, sending 850,000 people back to Greece??

I don't think it's left-leaning at all. About 50/50. Depends which bit you're on - the feminism pages are, ironically, pretty right-wing.

I don't think it's representative of the UK as a whole though. It's representative of women who are able to post at random times of the day, eg largely non-working people (retired, maternity leave, benefits or SAHMs). Plus a few WFHers and some on their lunchbreaks!

Reform is like Trump, they give easy answers to complex questions, which makes them popular as people want to believe that the U.K. problems can be resolved with just a bit of ‘stopping people not like us from coming over here/having benefits’
The problem is that as the major parties recognise from years of experience that these problems are not easily solved without pain somewhere along the line and who wants to vote for pain.
Hopefully as people are seeing Trump’s promises are the lies they were, they will start asking just how Reform will create this amazing new world.

They all are to some degree. That's why Jeremy Corbyn was destroyed by the press as he was the only one prepared to risk his life for his principles. I'm not a conspiracy theorist...I'm just not deluded.

Mumsnet is very right wing...surely that's obvious from all the benefits bashing threads. Apart from the two child cap removal, benefits have never been more difficult to get. People needing PIP breathed a sigh of relief when labour got in, only for things to be far worse. Especially for autistic people who at this point may as well give up. Let's all pick on the most vulnerable members of society.