To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

Post a link.

Could you try something positive instead of whinging about Muslims existing in your general vicinity?

It helps society to make it clear that racism is intolerable and yes, stupid. More of it.

Exactly. Farage has not founded a political party ie a party where members can democratically elect the leader etc. and influence policy.It is his own limited company so he has completed control. This should alarm everyone. He's showing his fascist anti democratic views in plain view. This is extreme right wing politics which will harm many of the people voting for him. How will they pay for private health care? Will it benefit men if the Equality Act is repealed? No, it will encourage employers to take on more women at lower wages/salaries particularly if they can be sacked easily if pregnant. In the past employers had to take on men because men had access to higher education and most women didn't. That is not the case now. The men voting for Reform have not thought it through. Equality benefits everyone not just women or minorities. Companies will employ people at the cheapest rate they can and that won't be many men.

I'm betting your flag is flying. Are you angry it isn't getting enough attention anymore?

I'm also white British, have Muslim friends, colleagues, teachers in my DC's school.

I think if you check, the VAST VAST majority of 'victims and spongers' are also white British like you and me. I don't know ONE Muslim (among the quite a few I interact with regularly) who is unemployed. Most of them are university educated professionals who are ambitious and are also educating their children to graduate level to become professionals.

By all means vote Reform. But don't pretend NOT to be racist when that is the platform they are getting voted in on.

For everyone person you directly call stupid, there will be dozens or even hundreds of lurkers who read that comment, and any who were on the fence about voting reform will feel your insults apply to them.

Exactly. Could always indulge in a bit of flag polishing.

Most people who vote Reform (typically older people) aren't on social media, let alone being heckled by ideologists. And if they're being heckled BECAUSE they're Reform voters, then...they're already Reform voters, so it's not the result of anything is it?

Last year in the council elections I voted for Labour on the basis of local policies and a counsellor who had done a lot for the community. I will make the decision on who to vote for in a general election at the time. I voted labour last time, was close to conservative until they came up with the crackpot national service policy that would affect a lot of young people I know. not against to the idea in principle, jut the dreadful way it was going to be run which would detrimentally affect those who could least afford it the most like young carers, those who need to work to support families etc. Also I am very pleased what labour have done with education but not some of the disabled cuts.

I like a lot of green policies but not the fact they don't know what a woman is.

It's usually a case of finding the least worse option.

As it should.

Have you seen the video of an interviewer talking to people in the street about why they're voting Reform? Not one of them knows ANY Reform policies, other than the anti - immigration rhetoric.

Now, IF someone was making an informed choice, I'd say that was intelligent, even if I didn't like their politics. But voting based on one (undeveloped) policy is dim.

I keep seeing this statement " wake up".

But when people do "wake up", they are called "woke".

Confuses me.

Since when did disagreeing with the majority mean that someone was “out of touch”?

Surely it’s the most in-touch people who are going be vocal about why they disagree?

I think you're misrepresenting me somewhat seeing as I've not expressed a view on "whether benefit cuts are required". Spoiler though, no, that would be counterproductive so at least you can speak with confidence going forward.

I can't comment on an article that I've not seen and you've not linked but I've not argued that Labour would or wouldn't cut benefits (not welfare). The party political aspect isn't really what I'm talking about here. I don't believe that political parties generally decide to cut befits because they genuinely think that is what's required or will make a positive difference to the economy. I think it's about something entirely different.

People keep saying to others go and live in an area with asylum seekers and I already do. In one of Glasgow's most disadvantaged areas with a high level of asylum seekers and refugees. What we actually have is a strong community base that people struggle to see past the black and brown faces. As I said in another thread, it's the racist white cunts with the flags in the garden who are refusing integration, not the Iranians and Syrians trying to build a new life.

Guess what, they haven't caused or exacerbated the generational disadvantage in the area. They've just been punted here to share in it.

Muslims existing in my general vicinity? Try them being refused planning permission for a mosque so building a “ Muslim education centre” that causes absolute havoc at prayer times with traffic and appalling parking! Houses with multiple generations living in them without sufficient parking again causing issues with parking and traffic! Group’s of men congregating around the “ Muslim education centre” and making anyone who isn’t Muslim feel very uncomfortable when walking through the area. A general downturn in the upkeep of this area, loads of rubbish and litter!

A as he who would you vote for if one of those green leafy fields you butt up against was turned into an immigration centre and your road was suddenly full of men from Syria and Afghanistan?

Can you explain what is ‘islamified’ in your area and how it affects you?

Really overly simplistic.

What a pile of absolute fucking pish 😂

Muslims causing traffic, Muslims standing outside a building.

And people are arguing that this shit isn't stupid?

Oh YES!!! Nailed it👏👏👏

I live in Stoke-on-Trent, we have immigration centres and have always had a lot of asian (pakistani/bangladeshi etc people). I used to live in Walsall round the corner from a Muslim girls school.

They suffered to enable us the choice. Choosing not to vote is a political decision, even if the person choosing doesn’t see that way.

I live in what has historically been a very rural and fairly poor area, in a small market town.

there’s people who have lived here their whole lives and still have opinions about eg Fred from number 62 based on something he said in 1977. Not joking.

in the last 20 years loads and loads of housing estates have been built and the town has really changed in character. Previous to this it was pretty much 100% white British.

I moved here three years ago. There are six Christian churches of various denominations plus the Nigerian Christians rent a room in one of the halls to have their services in. The people here have heard of other religions and I did once see a lady in a headscarf walking down the street but by and large they don’t know any Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus or any other religion. There’s plenty of people now who are Eastern European or African but they are largely Christian.

the people who live here are aware that if you fly the English flag (and quite a few of them do have flagpoles and fly various flags including Ukraine, football clubs etc) it’s considered not ok. They know that there’s been a media furore over flying British/English flags on lampposts. They aren’t quite sure why that is but they are fully aware that (from their perspective) a lot of people hate the English flag and you’ll get a lot of online hate for flying it.

there’s one trans bloke in the town. He was born here and has lived here for sixty years. He’s had mental health problems all his life. He’s in social housing and lives on benefits. He spends most of his time going to the various coffee mornings the various churches run and complaining about how hard it is to find clothes that fit him. He wears an ill-fitting assortment of dresses (usually two or three at once) that he buys from charity shops.

again, the people that live here mostly think he’s mad. But they know (again from their perspective media) that these days if someone who is clearly a man and has been a man all his life wants to say he is a woman you aren’t allowed to argue with him. So everyone pretty much ignores him unless he’s drunk in the high street again and shouting at random passers by.

so what people see is that these days there is stuff you aren’t allowed to do and stuff you aren’t allowed to say and there seems to be no real reason why you aren’t allowed to do it and say it except that it might upset people.

and frankly most of the people in my town think that trans bloke would be better served by some actual MH treatment and stopping drinking rather than not being allowed to say to him that he’s a bloke.

Where in my post did i say that all the victims and spongers and victims were muslim? I said my local area was becoming islamified, please learn to read properly. Also wanting to recognise the area that i have lived in for years does not make me racist, in fact islam isn’t a race! People of all races follow islam! I don’t dislike anyone for the colour of their skin but their attitude and behaviour! I also will happily accept that i dislike islam…just as as i dislike anyone other form of organised religion! Its brainwashing rubbish.

Better to be a lefty, than an uneducated fascist...and...well...you. ;)