To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

[Veiledveritas]

Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

Amazing how many posts there are identical to this, adding nothing to the conversation, just slagging off this 'broken' and 'bankrupt' country.

The right wingnuts have been saying this shit as long as they have existed.

Which famously always works. At least it does if your desired outcome is for people to double down on their position. So then what?

There’s a difference between being right, and being able to sell your position. If you cannot do the latter, then you’re destined to fail.

There’s an emotional element to politics that should not be overlooked, that cannot be lectured into insignificance. Populist parties understand this, and are best placed to exploit it in times of wider instability.

Whether it’s true or not, there’s large number of people that feel they have been patronized, shouted down when people do bother to address them, and otherwise outright ignored. Unsurprisingly they have become increasingly angry and resentful of this, and will not listen to those that do not listen to them.

And its exactly attitudes just like yours that are causing people to vote reform or restore etc! Where do you get off telling people what they are experiencing isn’t true?

Putin is rubbing his hands in glee at the British electorate's gullibility.

Am not a Reform voter. But clearly the results are coming in and Reform has resonated with many. The main parties cannot ignore it.

Strange post considering all those articles showing MN was backing Reform.

I think this is helpful as it gets to the crux of what a lot of voters are thinking. But what realistically do supporters think Reform will or can do?

Most Muslims in the UK have roots in, Pakistan, Bangladesh, parts of India. People from these countries started to arrive between the 1950's and 1980's. This was post-empire/Commonwealth migration. If you like, its the direct result of our hugely wealthy empire. The asylum seekers in boats are used as the focus of political positioning today, but they are a teeny fraction of net migration. The real focus of discontent seems to be the exsisting muslim population but a large proportion are UK born descendants of earlier arrivals, this is who makes up the majority of the Muslim population. So in practical terms what do voters think Reform will do?

You’ve got a lot of information about the population’s views in the three years you’ve lived there. And weirdly they’re all the same. They all ‘know’ they can’t tell a trans woman she’s not a woman (but have no diversity of view on that themselves), can’t fly flags without disapproval (though strangely none seem to know that tying shit to lampposts is not allowed regardless if it’s a flag, a t shirt or a banner advertising a new butchers).

It must be a very boring and annoying place to live, everyone having the same media received opinions, and saying them out loud all the time.

If you've got an issue with parking in your town, your issue is with the council, not the Muslims. If you're voting for Reform because they will do something about the Muslims, rather than the parking - that is the root of the stupidity.

I hope that clears it up.

Yes I feel like I've been patronised and shouted down a lot. Usually by people voting for harmful parties and ideologies who refuse to/can't explain why and who have a variety of sadly banal and puerile descriptors of my political stance. Remoaner, libtard, woke lefty public sector worker.... All I'm trying to do is stand up against hatred and division and these people refuse to leave me in peace!

Well the issues didn’t exist until the mosque islamic education centre was there 🤷‍♀️

Not wanting to start a debate but I really disagree. I think it is bailing out.

If you hate all those on offer then stand yourself. Or vote for the least worst. Or spoil your ballot. But not voting is almost saying you don’t care. And are not interested. That your vote is not something you value.

The racist pish is not much different to the rhetoric of the National Front,BNP,C18 from the 70s to the 90s.
It was paper sales and stickers used to spread the message.
Now it's online the message reaches more people.
Methods change.
The message is always the same.

Isn't it more likely that people are turning to the far right because others, like you, are telling them that Muslims are threatening, frightening and behave in antisocial ways? You're indulging in a bit of folk devilry there.

I’m old and see this so many times, people just use these elections as protest votes, as they don’t think they mean anything and I see the press the day after each time saying this means Reform, Green Party, Liberals etc are within reach of winning the next election. Come the next election and all this fuss was just hot air and people vote for the comfortable safe option. Plus if you start looking results, very few of these wins were runaway huge numbers, reforms voter going out to vote, others staying at home.
its the same as it ever was

@Veiledveritas interesting choice of user name....

I don't think you could say that reform are smashing it. They are doing well, but not as well as they did in council elections last year, which is interesting... election observers have long been saying they have passed their peak.

I don't despise a single reform voter. We all have the freedom to vote for who we want to and long may that continue.

I do, however, despise the reform party, for its racism, its poorly thought out policies and its duplicitous leader, Nigel Farage. If reform get in at the General Election, then I believe we will suffer, much like many of the local councils controlled by reform are already suffering and like the Americans are suffering under Nigel's mate Donald.

If someone had opened a yoga centre in that building and caused the same problems, would you be voting for a party that wanted to deport all yoga instructors?
Or would you be looking for another solution to the problem?

You do realise that automatically labelling people you disagree with as a racist no longer has the desired effect? It doesn’t shut us up because its nothing to do with race and everything to do with incompatibility and the pace of the changes being to fast!

Well i doubt they would have been able to open a yoga centre there because they wouldn’t get planning permission, and the wouldn’t wilfully circumvent planning permission knowing full well they would scream racism if they got pulled up on it!

Oh nothing shuts you up!

Some of us remember the NF and the BNP. It would have been absolute shame and disgrace to admit supporting them back then. Now people are so vocal about their prejudice and willingness to harm others. How did it happen?

Oh come on, the pp complained about ‘islamification’ and then listed bad parking and littering as examples of it. If someone else pointing out that parking and littering are nothing to do with Islam pushes someone into voting for anyone at all then the voter is probably not the full ticket. And as for being called stupid being some kind of vector for voting Reform: I remember the day after the Brexit vote, Nigel Farage being interviewed and clearly reneging on the ‘350m a week for the NHS claim’. The BBC interviewed a woman who explained she’d voted Leave because she’d seen her mum struggle with illness and she wanted to see more money in the NHS. The interviewer told her what Farage had said and her face fell. But she carried on ‘well hopefully it will still help’. He is a liar, and a charlatan.

I don’t think all Reform voters are stupid, but I’d bet my house Farage does. He is taking people for mugs as he has all through his political career.

YANBU
I haven't been on for a while but I did find the feminism board a little more in touch with reality- mainly because the trans issue proved an eye opener to other problems that the chattering classes prefer to ignore.
But radical Islam and the plight of the white working class is often better understood and discussed on that board.
As for anti-Semitism- or at the very least the appalling tendency to minimise what's been happening to Jews over the last couple of years- that's been alive and well on the general boards.
So, so disgusted by the useful idiot posters.
I really hope the tide is turning.

edited to add- yes, you're right- we're all in our social echo chambers somewhat- and mumnset is largely a very middle class, lefty cohort- and it takes a fair bit of awareness to consider just how things might be for those on the opposing side. We need a dose of humility and genuine empathy- not the suicidal, virtue signalling kind.

Hey that reference to the National Front has given me a glimmer of hope. They had similar views, gained momentum and then lost it... the same can happen with Reform. The National Front didn’t just fade away though they were constantly fighting among themselves, that is likely to happen with Reform, in fact it already has. Also though there was a sort of younger person's cultural rejection of it all. Plus of course Thatcher did adopt a tougher anti -immigration rhetoric, which pulled voters back to mainstream parties.

Many people who voted for Brexit said one of their main motivations was to regain greater control over immigration policy, rather than opposition to immigration itself. Since then, while immigration from the EU has fallen, overall migration has remained high due to increased arrivals from outside the EU.

For some people, this has contributed to concerns about pressure on public services such as GP appointments, NHS waiting times, housing, and infrastructure. As a result, immigration has remained a significant political issue, and this dissatisfaction has influenced support for parties such as Reform UK.

14 years of austerity which is of course the fault of Muslims and immigrants?