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Veiledveritas · 08/05/2026 05:26

Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

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Monty36 · 08/05/2026 11:20

Aliceinmunsnetland · 08/05/2026 11:04

I was called 'worthless' on MN because I don't vote. 🙄None of the parties speak for me and I'm not voting just for the sake of it.
So some twat telling me I had zero say in government, [not that I'm an M.P anyway] , zero say in local services and zero say in anything. They were giving the impression of becoming incandescent and it was amusing that they were so wound up.
They obviously felt superior to me for some reason, because of trying [and failing] 'bollock' me probably made them feel better, I still don't give a shit and told them so.

I would like you to say all that to a suffragette. Who literally suffered to enable you to vote.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 08/05/2026 11:20

ForWittyTealOP · 08/05/2026 11:20

Yep. "Look what you made me do" wouldn't stand up at work, in law, in public, so why is it ok for people to blame their damaging voting choices on people who think differently? And it is damaging to vote for the far right, that's objectively true and borne out by history.

Thoughts on the current wave of far left voting aka the Greens?

lonelyplanetmum · 08/05/2026 11:21

You need to also ratio the the number of young people to old people for a sustainable population rise. The public spending resources allocated to pensioners requires a greater number of working people, qv Japan and its problems. So if expectancy rises and GDP on pension welfare grows from 4 per cent in the past to 5.1% approx now to 7.1% in 2060 you have to plan for a proportionate rise in working age people otherwise we are a zombie economy. Im tapping on a phone so difficult to set out the full complexity but you need to work out what we need to do to plan for those needs, and that's nit excessive growth. Malthus was disproved.

Yes it's the full complexity that is tricky even if not on a phone. Immigration is the theme underlying everything. It often becomes a sole focus of many posters and voters discontent but who researches it properly despite the ease with AI and google? I do not know how the electorate's obsession with this one trick pony can end? It has been going full blast since Brexit and the electorate seem to still be more interested in immigration than anything else? Let’s say (based on the trend shown by these local elections) that Reform get in at the 2029 General Election. Not what I want, given all the many Reform red flags I listed above. But let’s assume they get in, largely based on banging their their immigration drum.

What will happen? Reform can’t reduce immigration significantly because we depend on it, or can they? The Reform propaganda focuses on small boat crossings, but they, and all asylum seekers are a tiny fraction of total migration.The majority of migration remains via legal routes for work, study, and family. The reality = most high-income economies depend on immigration, without it, the workforce shrinks, the tax base is under pressure and as Hameth says we are a zombie economy.

Comparing us to some of the top 10 richest economies by GDP per capita. There is a pattern of rich countries being very reliant on immigration in order to be rich:
United States: weirdly despite Trump’s rhetoric there’s a huge, huge migrant workforce building wealth in tech, agriculture, and healthcare
Switzerland: about a quarter of the population is foreign-born , essential for their healthcare, finance and hospitality.
Australia: again immigration-led growth affecting all sectors
Canada: again immigration-led growth
Singapore: largely foreign workforce
Luxembourg: nearly 50% foreign nationals
Japan:traditionally low immigration, but now increasing it due to aging population

Us: The UK economy depends on migration in key sectors such as the NHS, social care, care homes, hospitality and agriculture, we just can’t function without migrant labour hence why we replaced EU people from countries like Poland, Romania and Bulgaria and replaced them with higher non-EU migration particularly from India and Nigeria (healthcare), plus arrivals via Ukraine and Hong Kong.

So either:

Reform don’t reduce immigration, then what ? They will be ousted and replaced by the next party that promises zero immigration. OR
Reform do reduce immigration and our economy slips even further.

The conclusion that I am coming to especially after yesterday's elections , is that given the anti-immigration mindset we can’t win, its like Brexit, many leavers said they didn’t care if there was a financial impact. This is because many people have not shared in the wealth there is.. We used to be comfortably among the richest large European economies by income per person, but have started to slip down the rankings since Brexit, exacerbated by weak productivity and stagnant wage growth. Given Reform leaders are self serving, and just don’t care, the leaders can simply just position themselves to profit from the further decline. So if immigration is just so important to the electorate that it won't go away i.e. we just ‘don’t want any more foreign’ then the price for that is to lose our position as one of the wealthiest countries. Maybe that's que sera, sera? Depressing -sorry.

usedtobeaylis · 08/05/2026 11:21

Underthinker · 08/05/2026 11:20

Disagree. If people go online and mention that they consider voting reform, and are just met with insults, you've lost any chance to persuade them that your ideas or your party are better.

Nah, sometimes you just need to call stupid stupid. There isn't enough shaming of narrow mindedness.

Mangelwurzelfortea · 08/05/2026 11:22

Aliceinmunsnetland · 08/05/2026 11:14

It like Brexit all over again, 'they're all thick' MN was interesting during that time and on many threads totally stupid with so called intelligent posters calling others who 'voted' the wrong way, thick and stupid kids are more mature than so so called adults with the name calling.
Democracy is about the right of choice in this country. To vote for you you want to.
I don't want Reform anywhere near me, personally but others think they will be better than the current lot or the tories.
Time will tell.

Hmm but they ARE the Tories. In my area, Reform were literally canvassing the Conservative and right-leaning independent councillors (most of whom are also ex-Conservatives) to try and get people over to their side. And they succeeded.

I'd bet at least half the 'new' Reform councillors are ex-Tory. And I'd also put money on a Conservative/Reform collaboration of some kind at the next election which means, looking at the Reform ranks (most of whom are also ex-Tories), it'll more or less be the 2019 government all over again, just without Boris Johnson.

usedtobeaylis · 08/05/2026 11:22

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 08/05/2026 11:20

Thoughts on the current wave of far left voting aka the Greens?

The Greens aren't far left.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 08/05/2026 11:22

Comefromaway · 08/05/2026 11:19

I truly beleive that Reform and their offshoots have the potential to be the next Nazi party so will use all the tropes I want.

Same here.

Reform voters are currently hyperfocused on anti immigration. But know nothing about their other policies.

That anti immigrant rhetoric has allowed racism to be more acceptable. I have multi ethnic family. Public racism is occurring as a result of Reform's growth and acceptance.

You can sugar coat them as a party all you like. At the very root of them, they are far-right. And that links them to fascism.

ForWittyTealOP · 08/05/2026 11:23

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 08/05/2026 11:20

Thoughts on the current wave of far left voting aka the Greens?

The Green party, though not my party of choice, isn't far left in any sense.

usedtobeaylis · 08/05/2026 11:23

Slightyamusedandsilly · 08/05/2026 11:22

Same here.

Reform voters are currently hyperfocused on anti immigration. But know nothing about their other policies.

That anti immigrant rhetoric has allowed racism to be more acceptable. I have multi ethnic family. Public racism is occurring as a result of Reform's growth and acceptance.

You can sugar coat them as a party all you like. At the very root of them, they are far-right. And that links them to fascism.

Almost none of them have even been directly affected by any immigration at all. That's a fact.

Comefromaway · 08/05/2026 11:23

I know that no matter what I will be OK. I'm white, rich, and of the age where even the wildest of policies won't really affect me.

I could just stay in my nice little world and stay under the radar. They won't come for me. But my conscious would not allow me to do that. I care very much bout young people, about those in society who have been dealt a shit hand, about racism. I will not stand by whilst all happens. I may not be able to actually DO anything, but I can call it out.

Allisnotlost1 · 08/05/2026 11:23

Mangelwurzelfortea · 08/05/2026 11:10

I sort of agree with the OP tbh. While I also agree with you that it's going to be a shitshow that Reform have more seats, it might be better if it were the full-on shitshow we'd get if they had full control of more councils. Then people would realise they're a bunch of idiots before the next election, and before Farage gets the chance to do some actual proper damage (as if he hasn't done enough already with Brexit).

Although having said that, it seems (not least from posts on here) that loads of people just vote for them to spite 'lefties' - by which I assume they mean people like me who work hard, raise families, pay taxes, do loads for charity, think the weakest and most vulnerable people in society need looking after, and believe controlled immigration is necessary to successfully run our economy. Which is the shittest reason for voting for any party there could possibly be and in which case frankly the country deserves to go to hell in a handcart.

I‘m not sure you are agreeing with me, I’m saying reform councils have actually done very little (either good or bad). They’ve had more airtime than activity, council meetings have probably become even more sclerotic, but otherwise it hasn’t been a shitshow, so much as a no show. The reality of Reform councils is quite divorced - IME - from Farage’s notion of a seismic or historical shift. However, that does become a problem when you need agreement on the council for funding decisions, or between the council and the Mayor, because some Labour mayors refuse to work with Reform.

The problem is that Farage and the rest of the leadership have encouraged the worst excesses of populism.

This is democracy, we all have to live in it. But comments like ‘can’t wait to see what happens’ are just fucking puerile, imo.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 08/05/2026 11:23

usedtobeaylis · 08/05/2026 11:21

Nah, sometimes you just need to call stupid stupid. There isn't enough shaming of narrow mindedness.

And this is the result of that! Don’t moan when Farage gets in.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 08/05/2026 11:24

Comefromaway · 08/05/2026 11:23

I know that no matter what I will be OK. I'm white, rich, and of the age where even the wildest of policies won't really affect me.

I could just stay in my nice little world and stay under the radar. They won't come for me. But my conscious would not allow me to do that. I care very much bout young people, about those in society who have been dealt a shit hand, about racism. I will not stand by whilst all happens. I may not be able to actually DO anything, but I can call it out.

Who you voting for then?

usedtobeaylis · 08/05/2026 11:24

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 08/05/2026 11:23

And this is the result of that! Don’t moan when Farage gets in.

It's not the result of that at all. It's the result of not enough of it. When people have quite literally been emboldened in their stupidity and racism, it's not because of the small number of people who have bothered to call it stupidity and racism.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 08/05/2026 11:25

usedtobeaylis · 08/05/2026 11:24

It's not the result of that at all. It's the result of not enough of it. When people have quite literally been emboldened in their stupidity and racism, it's not because of the small number of people who have bothered to call it stupidity and racism.

You’re wrong. This is literally the result of every perfectly normal working person being heckled by ideologists on social media. It’s playing out in front of you right now and you still can’t see it.

FlyingApple · 08/05/2026 11:26

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 08/05/2026 11:17

‘Wrong side of history,’ is an over-used trope alongside,’go educate yourselves’ and ‘racists, fascists, Nazi’ etc. These are littering the internet and are meaningless now. When a phrase is so frequently thrown at ordinary people that it loses its meaning, it’s pretty dangerous. When the next Nazi party really comes over the hill, no one is going to cry wolf.

They are stuck at GCSE level thinking and so all you'll hear is generic tropes like, "I can see now how Hitler got into power" etc 🙄

rememberingthem · 08/05/2026 11:26

ByKindNavySwan · 08/05/2026 10:51

@BatchCookBabe The same can be said about Reform voters who won't (or can't) articulate why they're voting for Reform. Instead they just call non-Reform voters leftards, snowflakes, Islamists, etc etc.

I would vote reform because quite frankly being a white, British female who works full time i am absolutely sick of my local area becoming more and more islamified by the month, im sick of working hard and struggling while we have become a nation of “ victims and spongers” expecting everything to be handed to us on a plate! Im sick of not being allowed to be patriotic or proud of my heritage without being called racist. Im sick of the two main parties being as useless as each other so why not try something different?

Cheesipuff · 08/05/2026 11:27

ForWittyTealOP · 08/05/2026 11:06

What are the indicators that bankruptcy might happen? As far as I can see, spending on benefits and pensions has remained stable over decades. One explanation is that although we have more people drawing pensions, we have correspondingly fewer people claiming unemployment benefits (maybe because of the changes in benefits paid to parents?). I'd have to research that though; as I say, it's just one possibility.

Sorry, too long winded to post from the FT but their article on Labour planning welfare cuts was in the 28th April copy which will surprise you as you don’t believe they are required

Underthinker · 08/05/2026 11:27

usedtobeaylis · 08/05/2026 11:21

Nah, sometimes you just need to call stupid stupid. There isn't enough shaming of narrow mindedness.

No, sometimes you like to call people stupid to make yourself feel better. It doesn't help anyone or anything.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 08/05/2026 11:27

usedtobeaylis · 08/05/2026 11:23

Almost none of them have even been directly affected by any immigration at all. That's a fact.

Exactly. It's hyped up, thinly disguised racism. Which is allowing overt racism to become acceptable.

ByKindNavySwan · 08/05/2026 11:28

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 08/05/2026 11:20

Just like Labour then. Move one set of elites out the way, and another set step in.

But you've just proved the point that the average Reform voter can't see that they're just replacing one elite with another and are instead guided by dog whistle policies which aren't under the control of local councils.

usedtobeaylis · 08/05/2026 11:29

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 08/05/2026 11:25

You’re wrong. This is literally the result of every perfectly normal working person being heckled by ideologists on social media. It’s playing out in front of you right now and you still can’t see it.

No, it's not. Me saying Reform voters are stupid when they're already Reform voters isn't influencing them at all. It hasn't pushed one single non Reform voter to vote for them. This is an equally stupid line.

Thelnebriati · 08/05/2026 11:29

Its like watching the Brexit protest vote all over again.

Mangelwurzelfortea · 08/05/2026 11:29

rememberingthem · 08/05/2026 11:26

I would vote reform because quite frankly being a white, British female who works full time i am absolutely sick of my local area becoming more and more islamified by the month, im sick of working hard and struggling while we have become a nation of “ victims and spongers” expecting everything to be handed to us on a plate! Im sick of not being allowed to be patriotic or proud of my heritage without being called racist. Im sick of the two main parties being as useless as each other so why not try something different?

How is Reform different though? It's literally ex-Tory MPs plus Nigel Farage.

Also - they won't stop 'the small boats'. They can promise whatever they want because they're not in power, but they're making promises they can't keep. What they'll actually do is make public services much worse, give tax breaks to rich people, remove rights for working people, and make life even harder and more expensive for everyone who's on a middle or low income.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 08/05/2026 11:29

I’m off to work now, but honestly I think this divide was happening over Covid. The working classes carried on working and the middle classes were paid to sit at home and took up hiking, bought a dog, made cakes and rode their Peletons. Those middle classes never got back in touch with normal people and now they are really shocked that everyone is furious and Farage will be PM. Wake up!!

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