To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

I was called 'worthless' on MN because I don't vote. 🙄None of the parties speak for me and I'm not voting just for the sake of it.
So some twat telling me I had zero say in government, [not that I'm an M.P anyway] , zero say in local services and zero say in anything. They were giving the impression of becoming incandescent and it was amusing that they were so wound up.
They obviously felt superior to me for some reason, because of trying [and failing] 'bollock' me probably made them feel better, I still don't give a shit and told them so.

I am an EU lady, married with an English, gifted this country with amazing English offspring, and I am proudly pro-English. Not my problem at all, it is my pride

This old chestnut again. If people are voting Reform out of resentment towards some perceived educated middle-class elite that they think are patronising them in some way, then they really are stupid. At least vote for their horrible policies rather than to spite a random group of people you don't like.

Be careful what you wish for. I’m a non-Reform voter in a Reform controlled council. The only noticeable change is that council tax has increased by the maximum allowed. And no-one voting for Reform yesterday took heed of that.

Most Reform voters here receive council
tax benefit. They are not FO anything at all.

Most of the councillors elected for Reform
today won’t result in council control - so again, no FO - but it will embolden the worst of the media and voters to try to oust the PM, and we’ll all spend more time hearing and arguing about whether he should go, with MPs and Spads working more on that than actually getting anything meaningful done.

Great for you that can sit back and watch politics with your popcorn and find it all very amusing though.

What are the indicators that bankruptcy might happen? As far as I can see, spending on benefits and pensions has remained stable over decades. One explanation is that although we have more people drawing pensions, we have correspondingly fewer people claiming unemployment benefits (maybe because of the changes in benefits paid to parents?). I'd have to research that though; as I say, it's just one possibility.

Wanting to repeal the Equality Act and Human Rights Act on a national level doesn't generally appeal to a educated, intelligent and knowledgeable person though does it?

Mumsnet isn’t politically representative, nor could it be. Also bots are used all over social media, so no doubt here too.

Why the fuck are we accepting talk of 'bankruptcy" when we've had austerity policies many many years at this point? What's been the point of all that?

I sort of agree with the OP tbh. While I also agree with you that it's going to be a shitshow that Reform have more seats, it might be better if it were the full-on shitshow we'd get if they had full control of more councils. Then people would realise they're a bunch of idiots before the next election, and before Farage gets the chance to do some actual proper damage (as if he hasn't done enough already with Brexit).

Although having said that, it seems (not least from posts on here) that loads of people just vote for them to spite 'lefties' - by which I assume they mean people like me who work hard, raise families, pay taxes, do loads for charity, think the weakest and most vulnerable people in society need looking after, and believe controlled immigration is necessary to successfully run our economy. Which is the shittest reason for voting for any party there could possibly be and in which case frankly the country deserves to go to hell in a handcart.

I'd prefer to be out of touch than on the wrong side of history.

I will always, always stand up for what I believe is right. I am the epitome of a floating voter. I have vote for three different political parties in the past. I could never, ever vote for Reform.

It’s okay to call people stupid. They’ll be governing you soon.

I don't understand why more people aren't fucking mortified that a party who is all about making things worse for people they perceived as 'other', whether that's migrants, women or SEN children, are 'smashing the polls'. What a petty, small-minded political culture.

It like Brexit all over again, 'they're all thick' MN was interesting during that time and on many threads totally stupid with so called intelligent posters calling others who 'voted' the wrong way, thick and stupid kids are more mature than so so called adults with the name calling.
Democracy is about the right of choice in this country. To vote for you you want to.
I don't want Reform anywhere near me, personally but others think they will be better than the current lot or the tories.
Time will tell.

I live in an area that supports Reform.

there’s a lot of polarisation going on. For example I sing in a choir. Last year we learnt a Rumanian carol that a Rumanian bloke who’d moved to the area taught us.
this year one older lady suggested we do an English one and one of our younger singers said that she’d really enjoyed doing the Rumanian one (the rest of us didn’t it was bloody hard) and that we should celebrate other cultures.

both people got very very upset - the older lady because she felt she was being told that it’s not ok to celebrate English culture and the younger lady because she felt the older lady wasn’t being open to new cultures.

there’s a lot of that going on at the moment.

the reform party are tapping into the feeling that it’s become so important to celebrate other people’s cultures that it’s just not allowed to celebrate being English any more. And being honest that isn’t a great feeling.

I very much doubt that. The “anything except Reform” vote will be very strong by the next GE. Especially in areas with Reform councils.

she felt she was being told that it’s not ok to celebrate English culture

Where does that mindset come from, to the point old ladies are getting upset about it?

Except the averages Reform voter won't. It'll be the self-serving ex Tories who make up the majority of their councillors and MPs. The majority of whom are not "average people" as they claim to be. They're wealthy career politicians who will do and say anything to maintain their own situations.

And there is the young demographic, they never vote in local elections. Far more likely to in general election. It’s very untrendy to be reform.

‘Wrong side of history,’ is an over-used trope alongside,’go educate yourselves’ and ‘racists, fascists, Nazi’ etc. These are littering the internet and are meaningless now. When a phrase is so frequently thrown at ordinary people that it loses its meaning, it’s pretty dangerous. When the next Nazi party really comes over the hill, no one is going to cry wolf.

I truly beleive that Reform and their offshoots have the potential to be the next Nazi party so will use all the tropes I want.

Yep. "Look what you made me do" wouldn't stand up at work, in law, in public, so why is it ok for people to blame their damaging voting choices on people who think differently? And it is damaging to vote for the far right, that's objectively true and borne out by history.

Just like Labour then. Move one set of elites out the way, and another set step in.

Disagree. If people go online and mention that they consider voting reform, and are just met with insults, you've lost any chance to persuade them that your ideas or your party are better.

"The wrong side of history" if it is not about self-worth and moral high ground for leftie voters?

You vote and you have political opinions, in a nice comfortable, nice and cosy democratic environment. You are not sacrificing anything, taking any risk or enduring any hardship, please take down the self-aggrandising "hero syndrom" a notch.

This I do agree with. I do my best to vote for the best candidate/party, and if I can't, then the least worst option but where I land in history isn't a factor and it feels like a performative bar.