To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

If you actually check the data, the primary driver of whether someone is likely to vote for Reform is their level of education, and it's an inverse correlation. That is data. Not opinion.
It's not ok to call someone stupid. It is ok to point out that they might be guilty of willful ignorance if they refuse to listen to uncomfortable truths.
If you look at the blatant lies on certain issues told by members of Reform / UKIP to get elected or win support, those lies are/were easily fact-checked from reputable data sources and yet the people who want to believe those lies -because it's easy and doesn't require any extra thinking - swallow them wholesale and vote accordingly.

Spot on!

And it’s exactly this attitude as to why people vote reform! Superior and smug!

May as well have closed thread on the first reply; nailed it.

totally the opposite, but thank you for the effort in retoric.
Any christian, traditional pro-English person on mumsnet is quickly accused of racism and tried to be silenced

@BatchCookBabe The same can be said about Reform voters who won't (or can't) articulate why they're voting for Reform. Instead they just call non-Reform voters leftards, snowflakes, Islamists, etc etc.

This is not at all what I was talking about.

But thanks for showing that the people posting in support of the Left can't address the arguments put in front of them, and whatabout to blame everyone else.

So we just keep piling on the debt for our children and grandchildren to deal with -as long as we get the pensions and benefits we demand that’s ok?

It is totally the opposite. And also coming from someone who is all day everyday on mn

If we’re really honest, on educational attainment and other measures - languages spoken, numeracy, civic/political literacy - the UK is behind many OECD countries. It’s not just an affliction of Reform voters and, like any party, people will vote for them for a range of reasons.

You need to also ratio the the number of young people to old people for a sustainable population rise. The public spending resources allocated to pensioners requires a greater number of working people, qv Japan and its problems. So if expectancy rises and GDP on pension welfare grows from 4 per cent in the past to 5.1% approx now to 7.1% in 2060 you have to plan for a proportionate rise in working age people otherwise we are a zombie economy. Im tapping on a phone so difficult to set out the full complexity but you need to work out what we need to do to plan for those needs, and that's nit excessive growth. Malthus was disproved 😀

Exactly this.

Tell us PPs, did you go to vote?

That was actually said to me last night by my OH (not a reform voter), so god knows where that’s being said but I assume online.

I think you may be somewhat behind the times on your denomination data.

All of the parties put forth policy pledges that are highly unlikely; to suggest otherwise is 'wilful ignorance'. Swallowing wholesale the pre election policy of any party is folly.

Well that's one way of looking at it. Another way is examining what percentage of GDP and government spending goes on benefits and pensions and whether that's remained stable over the past couple of decades. Or you could look at the results of austerity and whether cutbacks reduce spending or increase knock-on costs - poverty and deprivation are expensive in more than one way. I dispute that we "demand" pensions and benefits - I think that it's acceptable and appropriate to expect a basic standard of living within a society and in fact we can't afford not to provide that, particularly when people aren't able to work (including retired and disabled people and carers, which are the groups making up the vast majority of benefits claimants).

Obviously don’t out yourself but can you give any idea of where you live? It’s hard to imagine given how ethnic groups are distributed across the country.

It’s all over my community groups on Facebook and our council even had to put an explanation on their facebook feed to stop the conspiracies getting out of control. People honestly believe pencils are being used for sinister reasons.

I've also heard that. It's quite Trumpian!

They are also posting in the comments section of Facebook calling people fascists and telling them to, ‘go educate themselves’. No ability to self reflect and ponder if it was this attitude that might have made people turn against their ideology in the first place 🤦🏼‍♀️

I suppose declaring oneself to be pro English could be seen as problematic in the United Kingdom. Not all UK citizens are English after all.

Just a minor point really.

I always think MN seems far more right than left-wing so can't agree with the OP about that.

Also Reform might be doing well, but that's because they appeal to poorly educated people who can easily be motivated by fear.

So we just continue into bankruptcy?

Do you mean revenue from income tax? Because that’s about a quarter of the Treasury’s revenue.

Its racism, ableism and homophobia that is despised.
Maybe take a look who you are supporting?
I assume all reform voters are independently wealthy and will cope with the destruction of the nhs? That they are not women, or disabled, or a poc, or young, or have send?
I also assume they are aware that reform isnt a political party and is a private company?
Now....where did that £5million go?....