To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

Define 'out of touch'.

I took it to mean being unaware of how the current issues in society affect the poorest, the working class, and the wider population in general.

I can be extremely 'in touch' with the issues and the effects they have on ordinary people, whilst also seeing how under-educated and under-informed people are deceived by Reform

Agreed. pp sounds like she's in a Labour (group) think tank

It's both aging and increased population. The estimate is that 40% of the budget goes on the over 65s. You can't simply dismiss a population increase of over a quarter. Even healthy people take some NHS resources.

Plus increasing weight of the younger population.

Plus you can't tell if someone is English or not just by looking at them...

No, I'm asking you. I can't tell you because it's your view and not mine.

Because profit, by its very nature, must be unevenly distributed in order to recognise and reward those who create value.

Full redistribution destroys incentives.

Zero redistribution allows capital to accumulate in the hands of the very few.

The optimal balance is a messy one created by checks and balances.

100% agreed. Misogynistic and bigoted = many (not all) Labour supporters. None so blind as those who will not see (aka the Labour Party)

Yes but the electorate seem to forget the extreme self serving nature of Reform.. Honestly I do not understand how voters, like Trump voters, have such short term memories.

As a P.S to my earlier post. I don’t think MN users are out of touch and detached from political reality. MN generally know not to disregard warning signs. But the Reform councillors and supporters, need to first research and understand immigration properly (small boats are a tiny percentage of our immigration statistics) and secondly stop ignoring the many red flags surrounding Reform some of which I listed in an earlier post. My 5th Red flag in addition to my earlier ones, is the financial self serving dodgyness of Farage including:

🚩£32,000- spent on one single trip flying to the USA to try and fawn over Trump in July 2024 immediately after being elected as the MP for Clacton. He rushed to the States to see Trump referring to him as his ‘ close personal friend’ who had just been shot at. Except on that visit Trump refused to see him! Trump has refused to see him again recently too.

🚩Just under £500,000 personal support from Arron Banks in return for supporting Brexit including a chauffeur & a Land Rover Discovery (valued at £32,300) plus £20,000 for a driver. Plus the rent and bills for a £4.4 million, three-bedroom Chelsea house and garage, rented for an estimated £13,000 a month via Banks's firm, Rock Services, plus furnishings for the house.

🚩£2 million in EU salaries, allowances and expenses while simultaneously being anti-EU . He lost part of his MEP salary, after an official enquiry discovered funds for parliamentary staffing were entirely misspent.

🚩 £380,000 undeclared payments -recently apologized to Parliament for failing to declare this sum.

🚩£5,000,000 recent personal gift from billionaire Christopher Harborne, apparently triggering his u turn on his decision not to stand as an MP. The Electoral Commission and parliamentary standards authorities are investigating it.

people who in most cases have worked bloody hard for it.

I haven't seen the statistics, but I would bet good money that the majority those who send their DC to private school have inherited most of their wealth, not worked hard for it.
Likewise, most farms are inherited, not bought with money the farmer has earned themselves.

That's great, so you'll understand why it's of no interest or significance if a traditionally Tory council goes back to Tory control after a blip. Nothing more to be said really!

Great post from @Foxyloxy89 I totally agree.

Sorry about that. It’s probably something to do with your disgusting racism.

Labour are losing every which way to other parties.

This potentially will be Restore. I am hoping they come along for the general election and split the far right vote.

Typical ageism. Apparently only old people are racists. Really? What about the antisemitism of so many Green Party members, mostly young?

But the leader of Reform absolutely adores Trump, and even more disgustingly, he loves the criminal dictator Putin too. So we can take it for granted that Reform voters are more than happy with Trump and Putin as well.

Yep Stafford have a reform council and I believe they've had a few resign or get kicked out when their racism came to light. Also stunts where they refused to do anything in council meetings because they are 'checking the councils homework' which they just repeated over and over again. Maybe crack on and actually make some decisions. They promised council tax would go down... It went up. Every reform voter/mp/councillor may not be racist but I think there is a higher percentage in there that would be silly to ignore
They make promises and then eaten they don't deliver say they never made those promises. And as for the man of the people Nigel, I fail to see how he represents the people when he is just as privileged as any of the others that went to private school, rich, with suggestions that would ultimately impact on those who are voting for him negatively. I don't particularly align myself to any political party but I could never bring myself to vote for them

It's funny - I understand you can't see the funny side. That's ok, you're hurting right now. Buckle up it'll get much worse by Sunday..

However, I live in a ward with a Reform councillor county councillor who seems to just want to improve things for the local residents and admits it's been a steep learning curve. The main blocker to trying to fix even the smallest thing has been the unelected council officers based 50 miles away in County Hall who have been on the gravy train for years.

If this is the case across enough of the country then the “you’re all racists” bloc are about to get a rude awakening from their complacency.

MN uses are a diverse group of people who hopefully won’t be swayed by inflammatory propaganda.

Funny that you should support a party run by one of the elites you object to? Nigel Farage lives in a lovely area in a quaint village in outer Bromley, Kent, and has an estimated personal worth of between £3 and £5 million and that’s before you count his outside earnings.

Me too. Although I'm British I don't live there any more, so if they want to vote for nasty morons and flush themselves down a fascist toilet, I'm content to sit back and watch.

You do realise you'll be drinking that in no time..

I’m a Labour voter traditionally and agree about school VAT. I saw an interesting stat that the most expensive schools like Eton have been unaffected by it entirely; it’s the smaller schools where aspirational middle class people might tighten their belts to send their kids that are impacted.

Your first point is stupid. Most people with primary or even secondary aged kids do not have dead parents. The parents I know all work, that goes for mum and dad.

Secondly fine. Sell the farms. What happens then?

1. We have to import more food destroying the environment
2. We lose what little food security we have left
3. The land is bought by greedy developers and other ‘very wealthy people’ to use for less useful purposes

All worth it though eh, to see those awful wealthy people be stripped of everything they have ?

Brexit caused the small boats problem. Before Brexit we didn’t have this issue as we could send them back to the first EU country they came
through. And we’re poorer for it.

This is not the full picture.

Yes we lost our right to return to any country we could prove that they had travelled through or already claimed asylum from.

But we also lost our duty to take as many asylum seekers as the EU chose to dole out to us. The city Hungary and Slovakia have been in coding fighting. And with Spain just giving official leave to remain to 500,000 migrants at one fell swoop, who knows how many would be heading our way with an EU luggage tag on their suitcase.