To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

Very well said.

Yes, suggest everyone ignores what Reform says and actually look at what their councillors and MPs do once in office. You will soon be persuaded not to waste your vote on them.

I'm a life long Labour voter but I don't live in a leafy suburban middle class area. I live on a large council estate. I don't sneer at Reform voters because I can understand how we arrived at this situation. Just look at the history books. The world is in turmoil and changing faster than it did during the Industrial Revolution. People are insecure and scared. But I would never vote for Reform because they don't represent any of my personal views. I wouldn't vote for the Greens either because, apart from a whole host of other reasons, they are equally populist. And I believe either of them would be a disaster for the country.

Should read "the duty Hungary and Slovakia have been in court fighting".

Uh huh. Why is the redistribution of profit so wildly unequal and why do those who are vital to the profit making process enjoy so little of it?

Admittedly it's easier to say that the 'left" hates the existence of profit but that entails turning a blind eye to a lot of thought and theory. You could almost say it was a meaningless soundbite.

Most people with primary or even secondary aged kids do not have dead parents.

Are you assuming that people only inherit from parents?

Or maybe i'm off to bed after a long 12hr night shift, hence my posting time.

I could respond but i'm under no illusion anout how i will be patronised.
My point and the reason i made the post has been completely proven on every single page of this thread.

Very few people are going to receive an inheritance from a non parent big enough to put 2 kids through private school. Get real.

The got voted in on the lie that the council could stop the boats

Neither councils, nor the devolved parliaments have the power to stop the boats. Only central government has such powers.

Reform has never claimed that councils can stop the boats and if they were to make such a claim, the other parties would be shouting it from the rooftops, which they aren't.

I think you made it up, but please feel free to post a link to Reform lying about this, if you can.

Reform supporters are a bunch of bigots who seem to lack the capacity to research the truth for themselves.

Show proof Reform lied about councils stopping the boats and I might believe it isn't you who lacks capacity to research the truth. As for being a bigot, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are not, because I have the intellectual capacity not to make sweeping judgements on people I don't know based on their political affiliation.

I worry for the younger generation who are going suffer due to the elderly racists voting them in!

I might have to reconsider what I said above...

Yep it has.

I feel like a lot of people who vote Reform would look at the rise of Trump and MAGA as a bad thing for the world/embarrassing thing for Americans, and yet are voting for another populist grifter who doesn’t believe his own words.

The country does need change, but the belief that Nigel is doing this for any reason but personal gain doesn’t logically follow.

Just because something is popular, it doesn’t mean it’s good. There may be a lot of Reform supporters, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t short sighted, stupid, and blinded by hatred.

What's your point, what's the reason you've made it and how has it been consistently proven?

My issue is a problem with the large chunk of the electorate who think Reform will save the day with immigration. Their party is filled with ex-Tories who supported mass immigration and millionaires who want cheap labour to be poured into UK.

It’s bonkers.

You could respond, but you're not going to? Well, what a surprise!

How contemptuous you are of your fellow citizens.

How’s that attitude working out for you, in light of today’s results?

Or (c) how @orangegato could possibly know that.

Unless she's claiming to speak directly to every single person she encounters?

Her point is in the opening post.

Yes x100 👏

I didn’t suggest this

Because the checks and balances are still trying to catch up with the social media revolution. Any other questions?

I don't know how any woman could vote Green or Labour since neither know what a woman even is,fervently believing that a man has only to pop on a frock and lo, he's a woman, entitled to use women's toilets, changing rooms, women's hospital wards, Refuges, rape crisis centres and women's prisons.

The policy wasn't about spite or teaching someone a lesson so whether it affects high or higher earners more isn't relevant. It was put in place to ensure fairness. People who choose to spend on luxuries normally have to pay VAT on those luxuries so it was an anomaly that it wasn't charged on private education. That's now been rectified.

That poster would have a surprise if they saw my family in the street and made those assumptions, it's fair to say!

What do you find contemptuous?

That I identified how social class affects voting behaviour?

Or that I identified how a large portion of the population are under-educated? (This is a polite way of saying ill-informed, led by soundbites, and not able or willing to look deeply into the actual policy issues)

Or that I identified the working class with the under-educated? (this is statistically likely as the working class is the largest demographic, and it is somewhat axiomatic that the middle class is better educated)

Or that I assume it is mostly the under-educated and/or the working class that vote Reform? (ignoring the statistically-irrelevant small number of ultra-rich who vote Reform as they would actual benefit from their policies)