To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

Oh come on! The only English person really! Do you spot check passports.

comment like this are not helping your cause.

Another reason to be wary of Reform is that they will be entirely self serving.

Like their siblings across the Pond their interests will be financial. They really really won’t be bothered about little people. Except to get their votes of course !

But contracts, opportunities, money. Farage is a money man. Tice is a money man.

I am talking only about the top brass in Reform. The lower orders will believe.

Nope. Its life expectancy. Most NHS resources are for the over 65s. It also explains a lot of population rise.

Rather like the BBC, MN is simultaneously accused of being too left wing and too right wing! I find the different political views interesting. However I find the political baiting posts very tedious. There's an anti Starmer post on Chat every day. Give it a fucking rest.

I don't see whats wrong with NOC Councils as it seems more democratic to me rather than councils making decisions along political party lines. Due to local government reorganisation there are no elections where I live.

However, I live in a ward with a Reform councillor county councillor who seems to just want to improve things for the local residents and admits it's been a steep learning curve. The main blocker to trying to fix even the smallest thing has been the unelected council officers based 50 miles away in County Hall who have been on the gravy train for years.

I think it's a steep learning curve for any new councillor of any persuasion but the ones aligned to the traditional big 3 are taken under the wing of their more experienced colleagues until they learn the ropes whereas the Reform councillors have no one to teach them how it all works.

Just to note there never has been a bunch of St George flags flying here but you might see the odd Union Jack attached to a permanent flagpole.

Why would there be a left wing hatred of profit rather than an opposition to the unequal distribution of that profit?

Brexit which has cost the UK so much, including a 6–8% lower GDP per capita and 12–18% lower investment than if the UK had remained in the EU?

If you believe that to be true can you explain why neither Germany nor France have experienced those gains while we have been out of the EU, and why our growth has consistently exceeded theirs for some time now?

You haven't made or addressed any actual points though? So why are you here?

This. There is a small but incredibly vocal group of posters who seem to compromise either middle class Green voting university professor types, or particularly astute benefit claimants who make snotty comments about working people and how they feel they should be financed with zero scrutiny. They leap on any thread they don’t like, report all the responses before accusing the OP of being Nazi before sharing messages of support among one another to demonstrate what great people they are.

It’s tiresome and I’m not surprised Reform have made these gains although I would never vote for them myself.

You tell me. It's almost a swear word used by many on the left.

Also in my area people dont carry their passports in a visible way so I wouldn't know... oh, wait... is there another way of identifying a "British" person... so even if you are born in UK you're still not really one of us?

I agree.

I really think the thing that Reform voters lack is critical thinking skills. You’re voting against your own interests if you are a woman and are working. Look at the policies.

Brexit caused the small boats problem. Before Brexit we didn’t have this issue as we could send them back to the first EU country they came
through. And we’re poorer for it.
All we will do now is spend more money housing them in detention centres.
The poor will pay as there will be no healthcare for you, no maternity leave no employment rights either. Oh and gun laws will be relaxed too what joy.

I believe you have misunderstood the issues with profit

100% luxury beliefs. I can’t look half the time, most are so asleep, it’s embarrassing.

MN demographic is not out of touch.
But it does skew towards the educated middle class. We generally post in full sentences here with proper punctuation. 'Text' abbreviations are not often used.

As the under-educated working class is a larger demographic, their vote will have a greater effect. It is they who are voting Reform.

Just because many of us don't vote Reform, it does not mean we are 'out of touch' or don't understand the issues at stake.

Because she wants to highlight posts like ‘why are you here’

How patronising. You are out of touch and wildly so.

Yet, i find Labour voters are the most bigoted.

There’s a difference between calling Reform voters thick / racist, etc, and criticising Reform themselves. The latter is fair game and there’s a lot to go at.

Ha ha killer point? No. A point of amusement ..yes. Interesting that you project on to me your own way of thinking. Hilarious. Labour fans are so tetchy today.

(not that its any of your business but for tedium's sake, I'm a West Londoner)

If you think I'm wrong and that my point wasn't valid, why not simply take the time to write an intelligent and reasoned post explaining exactly why you perceive my argument to be flawed?

Claiming to be so insulted by something that I didn't even say in order to explain why you're not willing to engage with my perfectly reasonable post simply creates an impression that you don't actually know how to respond.

Eh? I've asked OP to address actual points but that's just been ignored

Where do you live? I live in London, which has the highest number of immigrants in the UK (over 40% non uk born). I see/meet English people every day in my borough. Seems unusual that you don’t meet any at all in your town.

Mostly we agree that it is difficult to 'fix' immigration, the problem is that we do not see that Labour the party of Government is doing anything about it.
Criminals are still supported by the Courts to remain on flimsy excuses but but there is no intention of changing the law to help deport them. This Week Shabana Mahmoud called for changes to make asylum applications easier, She wants more of them here.
Labour do not care how it affects ordinary people.

Because the policies they support don’t redistribute wealth, they target aspiration and the delight is in simply seeing money being taken off people who in most cases have worked bloody hard for it.

1. School fees VAT
2. Farming IHT

Look at the absolute glee on here that children would be forced to leave their schools, or that an elderly farmer who has got up at the crack of dawn every day of his life to feed the nation low cost produce is going to pay so much IHT that he has no hope of passing on the farm.

But somebody who has sat on their arse claiming they can’t work despite being able bodied and completely mentally astute deserves a ‘pay rise’

It’s all loathsome