To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

Hitler was popular too. As was Mussolini. Doesn't mean they were good choices. Appealing to racist right-wing viewpoints which offer quick (impossible and unrealistic) fixes will always be popular with some of the population.

"I suspect for many it’s a protest vote. The only chance they’ll get to tangibly show the current government that they’re not in favour"

So if it's a protest vote, who do they actually want to vote for?

Voting whatever way you want couldn't make you 'out of touch'. You should vote how you want to vote.

I am not a bot! Just stop.

If money could be saved, it would have been. There is a little froth but the biggest surge in welfare is the escalator of rising pensions. House of Lords yes maybe save £10 million, halve the attendees, but if a million is 11 days, a billion is 31 years. We need billions and billions. We can reduce tax but without spending changes it just goes into higher gilt yields anyway as Truss showed.
We can save on some of the welfare claims but again data is not the plural of anecdotes. These are generally Tory rules and it's difficult to get. So the odd blue haired person claiming anxiety is bad but the real savings will only come from freezing pensions or holding it to a lower rate of increase.

Ps Farage and his £5 million... could reform voters have a proper go at justifying secret donations from an offshore crypto currency mogul whose products Farage promotes?

This sounds like the old school 'silent Tory' vote, people who kept their own counsel while it was fashionable to loudly deem anyone right of centre as thicko racists.

Red flag 2 is terrifying. If Reform ever get anywhere near the NHS it's done for, and we'd never get it back.

Er, sure it was OP. Sure it was.

I get that some people are angry. But trying to explain the huge rise of reform voters away by suggesting they are all stupid is a pretty stupid thing to say

Agree and anyone who does actually agree with immigration/benefit reform and dares to post about it automatically gets accused of being a Russian/reform bot - it is quite tiresome.

They might not admit to it but it doesn’t mean they won’t do it. Anyone who says they are a Reform supporter is generally verbally attacked and dismissed as a racist/islam hating/knuckle dragging/thick/uneducated xenophobic idiot. No wonder they keep quiet, but I think there are a lot more of them out there than people realise. Beware the ‘quiet’ Reform voters.

That poster is just proving your point.

Men convicted of DV and SA standing outside hotels with brown people inside so they can be "protecting our women" is, however.

MN users must live in lovely areas untouched by immigration then. I go to my town and I’m the only English person I see all day.

Must be nice to not know what that feels like!

Oh sorry, understand now - not enough coffee yet!

I have absolutely no idea, there are a few years yet until the GE and the political landscape could shift before then.

The issues with Reform are many.

They use soundbites. That people respond to.

But you cannot do the a decent days work of public administration by talking soundbites.
They will find that it is not as easy as they think. And, in many places where they have been elected in, this has been found to be the case.
That is just one of the issues. But an important one.

Agreed. It’s so fatuous. Like saying that it’s outrageous to have a legal system that can lock people up because people are the backbone of the economy.

Read carefully and then you can apologise.

You’re Robert Jenrick and I claim my £5.

No op the opposite. Why on earth would any reasonable person vote for the same people who brought us Brexit which has cost the UK so much, including a 6–8% lower GDP per capita and 12–18% lower investment than if the UK had remained in the EU? And knowing that our economy still faces long-term, structural damage from trade barriers, reduced labour supply, and increased business costs? And knowing that Brexit made the immigration problem worse?

Why on earth would anyone trust Nigel Farage who lied blatantly about the money he promised on the now infamous NHS bus?

Why would anyone trust their MPs who are generally wierd and incompetent?

Why would anyone trust a party funded by wealthy expats who are unhappy with the amount of tax they have to pay back home?

Like Trump, Farage is not a builder, or intent on building consensus, he is an untrustworthy disrupter who wants to make money for himself and his clan of friends. And he likes to incite hatred between different communities in the UK and pray on people’s fears. When we all know that peace brings prosperity.

So on the basis of all of the above, it’s completely sensible, rational and fair not to support Reform whether you are an ordinary working class person like me, or whether you are a business owner and entrepreneur.

Labour’s over reliance on soundbites is causing them issues.

Its true. We have put alternative travel plans for women staff because of harassment and intimidation from young men in a nearby underpass. They are white with a local accent, though.

Both ‘sides’ are as bad as each other.

I don't think they are. I think the nature of the left/right divide is that it's impossible to tell a left winger that they are an idiot for wanting society to be more fair, but very easy to mock a right winger for understanding just how difficult or even impossible this is in a global economic environment.

That's before you add a visceral left wing hatred of profit, while having no desire to understand the purpose and benefits of profit to an economy.

It's so very easy to stand on that left wing moral high ground and hurl insults down on the right wing you perceive as morally below you. It's much harder to do the reverse, and imo, that's a balance you see played out all the time in political discussion on forums.

Having said that, MN seems to be much higher quality debate than I've come across elsewhere.

I don't understand (a) why you would notice that or (b) why it would upset you.