To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

The Boris wave is a different issue.

Those people were all invited to live here long term. He was a complete shit, he campaigned on controlling the borders and then put in a points system that let even more people in than before. It was a total betrayal.

Reform voters do love a lamppost.

I suspect for many it’s a protest vote. The only chance they’ll get to tangibly show the current government that they’re not in favour

Do I think the MN demographic is out of touch politically. Well it looks like it doesn't it.... But generally on MN we are alert to Red Flags. If some-one shows you who they are, we believe them.

Surely it is the historically predominantly male Reform supporters who are really out of touch with reality, they are disregarding the huge red flags. Those who voted Reform yesterday also seem to have astonishingly short memories. To make me feel better, here is a little reminder of the things that Farage (and his vanity project Reform) stand for....

Red flag 1:

Reform’s anti environment policy is focused on maximizing fossil fuel extraction, abandoning net-zero targets, reversing green subsidies, and accelerating fracking. Yes really I think they even proposed a windfall tax on wind power?

Red flag 2:

Farage sometimes masks it, but his true position is to dismantle the NHS. He even states in his memoirs that it was the NHS that almost killed him, and a private health care diagnosis saved him. He has often said that he is open to anything regarding healthcare in particular a French-style insurance health system.

Red flag 3 (should be 1)

He has displayed hard wired racist and antisemitic behaviour since childhood including actually saying “Hitler was right” and “gas ’em” about Jewish people. (This shows you who the person is, and has been expressly confirmed by several school contemporaries.)

Red flag 4: Lies in the Brexit campaign including extremist propaganda including about Turkey joining the EU which was a complete falsehood, as it is a frozen Turkey. Basically it would need to meet 35 criteria, and can’t- ever, largely due to Cryprus.

Labour are not shit compared to all this they really aren't. There have been a few mistakes but overall they are improving education funding, reducing NHS waiting lists, improving the minimum wage, improving workers rights.

Not does it imply that you will. People who make bold claims about asylum seekers/migrants and sexual assault need to be able to back these up with reliable and valid statistics. Unless you can do that, your rhetoric is racist.

The well-heeled of Islington will do very well if Reform win, especially if they slash stamp
duty and inheritance tax. Reform won’t cut immigration because the country can’t afford it (look what happened after Brexit, we’ve had the fastest influx ever) but they will increase the cost of living and they’ll destroy state education and healthcare. If people fall for Farage again, there’s no helping this country.

Just wow

I’m not sticking up for anyone. It’s a fact that Westminster and Wandsworth have been Tory for decades, it’s not remotely surprising that they would revert. What would be utterly gobsmacking is if Camden or Hackney turned Tory.

Yes. And it's almost as if no one on the left is capable of making the link between a population rise of 10-20million in 20-30 years due mainly to immigration- and the NHS collapsing. But we need the immigrants to staff the NHS for the immigrants

I think you may be overstating the significance of your one vote.

Some anger there. Labour are losing it.

I think the worm has turned. For years on this site anyone expressing even the mildest right of centre view was hounded and insulted by the same group of posters who backed each other up and shut down any alternative views. I think there was very little political discussion on this site due to that. Now I think there is more discussion with a range of views expressed which is much better.

Also need to rememer that only about 136 councils out of 380 in the UK were up for election yesterday. I work in a Reform Council and they came in all guns blazing, realised they could not do what they wanted due to democracy, rules, human rightd and have gone quiet, they have no clue how a Council operates, so I would not hold out much hope they could run a government.

It’s a bit disingenuous to suggest only Reform voters/supporters are concerned about illegal migration, particularly when Reform really don’t have any workable policy to deal with it and muddle legal and illegal migration. Labour, and the Tories before them, borrowed Reform rhetoric and even policy that was found to be illegal, ineffective or so expensive that it was a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

I am so very excited for them!

Local councillors won't be stopping any boats, but they have two years to show me how they can manage a council's budget, manage local crime, maintain cohesive communities, improve social care and child services, handle planning for local housing, help small businesses...

All wonderful things that may mean they deserve my vote in the next GE 👌🏾.

Who do you think reform voters are going to vote for in a general election instead?

they’re silent voters. Most voters are.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results,"

Time for a change imo.

Are you aware of some of the racism that comes from Reform candidates?

For years and years, the majority of those who bothered to vote asked for a reduction in immigration. You didn't have to be a genius to see how an increasing population fed into the cost of housing, increased construction in the countryside etc etc.

Successive governments ignored this, and now the political class is acting all surprised that people are pissed off.

FWIW, I'm not a Reform voter, nor ever likely to be.

They’ll have mine too if they actually do this! I’ll wait with great anticipation. 🍿

I'm really not sure that's the killer point you imagine it to be. Are you from London?

The irony! Electorate.

Well Reform don't blame the left they blame the Tories: “Boriswave”, when post-Brexit migration rules saw net migration hit a record level of 906,000 in the year ending June 2023.

I’m sorry if I am being thick but I don’t understand your point? Reform voters will vote for Reform?

I won’t be one of them.