To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

No but the othet poster did, starting this mini feud about who and was not rude.

Labour are shit, Conservatives are shit and this shit-show goes on and on - maybe it is time to let someone else drive for a bit? To break the vicious two-party circle of sameness?

It was always going to be an aberration. I fully anticipate Wandsworth returning to the Tories today as well. It’s not as significant as you’d like us to think it is.

Desperate people seeking refuge from war & persecution are not the cause of our problems

You're quite right.

But "students" using visas, holiday visa over stayers, and people coming by sea and land from a safe country where they can apply for asylum if they choose to are definitely a problem.

Refusal of the left leaning to accept that is, imo, a major factor in the Reform vote.

Did someone genuinely say that? Blimey.

Ok I'm not interested in a feud that's why I asked OP to address the actual point

Nah. There are loads of reform threads on here that I can't be arsed with, as a leftie, because they just want to pile on instead of discussing. The reformers that is.

4. concerned about the effects of large amounts of illegal immigrants does not necessarily = racism

What on earth? You mean you don't agree with me so as a result you want to invalidate me.
This is EXACTLY my point.

Reform blame the Tories - they called it the "Boriswave" ....

Beth Rigby on Sky just said to Starmer voters think you are the problem but he just cannot acknowledge that. He is the problem and by carrying on it just damages Labour even further, if that’s possible. You can see why people have gone for other options and who can blame them.

Ah it's cute you're still sticking up for Labour. Like a football team fan who'll loyally and forever support their team as they sink to the conference division. Commendable.

You asked if “she” was wrong, the “she” in question being the originator of that accusation.

It's a tragedy to me that people have fallen for the rhetoric that immigration is the cause of their problems. When in fact the NHS, the care sector, hospitality etc would collapse if not for immigration.

This is the one that's always trotted out.

It is perfectly possible for intelligent people to value every immigrant in the NHS etc and also believe that other people should not be able to choose to invite themselves to live in our country at our expense and sometimes at risk of our security.

A good indication of the skew on this site is that any thread like this will have a Labour supporter accusing posters of not being real.

And why not? Reform is despicable. Doing well in the elections doesn't mean they aren't a bunch of cunts.

I’ll be your first. I would vote Trump if I lived in the states. I would not currently vote Reform (or Labour!).

Quite. Embarrassed for him.

Have to agree with this. There are parts of my local area that are pretty much no go zones now, and Im harassed almost daily at a train station when I travel to the office to the point this week its been agreed I can reduce my days in the office even further as my end employer knows how bad it can get.

DS and other local school kids get grief off gangs hanging around and weekly newsletters encourage them to walk home in groups and be alert.

That being said Reform can still suck a nut, but some people really are blissfully unaware how bad it is in some places.

I've seen the whole political spectrum on here, so I don't know where you're coming from.

I just know it will be hilarious when Reform get in here thinking they can stop the boats, and realise the only thing that have authority over is street sweeping and repainting the lampposts. Although, maybe control of the lampposts was what they've been after all this time? Tomorrow - dominion over the roundabouts!

Why on earth would Mrs B plan to leave the UK just because Reform has done well in the English local elections?

Personally I enjoy Mrs B's posts, as pp says they are sensible and measured.

I wondered when this would be put to him, I assume he just deflected. He can’t get it. Labour generally can’t.

Reform seem to be very popular, I'm ready to give them a go personally.

Yes because I'm interested in OP's opinion which hasn't been shared?

Both ‘sides’ are as bad as each other. Over on the other election thread, after a quick skim through, it’s full of people accusing Reform voters of being idiots or racists and I’m tired of reading it.
Not to mention that the sheer number of people who have voted for them cannot mean that they are all idiots or racists.

Maybe people should ask themselves why so many people believe that immigration is the only and main issue we face in this country. I’m not saying it’s not an issue, I’m not convinced it’s as big of an issue as it’s being made out to be though. But I largely blame the media for this - the constant messaging of the boats etc is what has caused Reform to make such huge gains as well as the failings of the status quo.

But I do really wish people would stop accusing vast numbers of the population of being stupid. It makes me cringe every time I see it.