To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

It appears to depend on the doorstep.

And all this said... it's supposed to be about potholes, bin collections and public libraries.

Absolutely.
Call me cynical but the whole thread appears to have been set up for precisely that purpose.

None of that is relevant to the point which I was making.

Point proven. Stop calling me stupid please.

I think it’s pretty certain there will be a Reform government next. Hopefully the results reflect that the Greens don’t really have any chance of gaining much traction with their embedded anti semitism. No doubt Polanski showing his true colours over the past week or so led to a much lower win than they were probably expecting.

The Reform landslide will hopefully see many of the electorates clear concerns reflected in the policies of more centrist parties to try and bring voters back to the centre

Labour will miss what’s happening and make various excuses.

So far today, and it is far from over, Labour have lost 8 councils. And there's a long way to go. They're good at something at least.

Reform have only won 1 council so far, which is promising, hopefully no more.

And the 'Greens' have won 0 councils so far, excellent.

I don’t think some of mumsnet are very engaged with politics on a meaningful level.

Everyone has an opinion but there are a sizeable chunk of posters who have little clue about the realities of maintaining roads, managing waste, enacting immigration policy on the ground, etc.

Its not really a protest vote anymore when they are getting this many votes

Fascism isn't used as an insult, it's used to describe a political movement. To be fair, it's more accurate to describe Reform as crypto/quasi fascist or fascistic, in the same way that the Nazi party was before evolving into fully blown fascism. The point here is that the risk exists and can be seen to exist through looking at historical precedent. Let's not forget that Reform's rhetoric, particularly among the grass roots, is similar to that of the NF/BNP in past decades and in turn, those parties had real and demonstrable links with Nazism. So we need to be very careful about how we use and how we criticise use of the word and concept of fascism because it's not trivial; it remains a real danger.

I did not call you stupid. I said that your post reflects a lack of understanding of our electoral system and I explained why. You can choose to write a reasoned and rational response to the points raised in my post, or you can choose to throw your toys out of the pram. I think we both know which one it's going to be.

Are you serious? Widely recognised as a Labour stronghold on the internet.

I think educated people can put together a better perspective than “you don’t vote the way I do and therefore you must be thick”. Educated people seek to understand different perspectives and how to decrease division. On that basis there are a lot of uneducated people here

Indeed!

Oh i spoke too soon, it's just gone to 2 new councils for Reform.

Well yes.

And I do understand it.

We are lucky enough to live in a relatively low-crime area. The main type of crime is domestic incidents. I’m also aware of a few car and bike thefts. So this obviously stuck out to many people and as my street is next to the school in question, it was a shame for me to have to see police patrol for a while afterwards.

None of the other parties acknowledged residents’ concerns about the hotel, so while i wouldn’t vote reform, I understand why others would and i expect it, so in that way, i wouldn’t agree that i am out of touch with political reality.

But it of course depends what is ging on in everyone’s local area and what priorities are.

Actually people don't necessarily choose. Traffickers aren't akin to travel agents, they're violent and exploitative.

The LibDems have just exceeded the number of councillors the Tories have. I suppose Tories must be losing to LibDems and Reform.

Conservatives take Westminster from Labour... 😂

Labour though, ouch for them.

This is not what people want - it is what people have been told they want, and been convinced over a long period of time that it is what we want.

Yes - make work worthwhile (but protect those who genuinely cannot work)
Maybe - abolishing business rates for small businesses would help, but in my experience that leads to big landlords pushing up rents instead (our town is full of charity shops - they don't pay rates, but pay more in rent as the landlords have an easy way to cash in). More radical changes are needed.
Yes - stop building on the green belt.
Yes - raise the tax threshold
AND - tax the very rich (Mr Farage, for example) more to cover the costs of the above changes.
What - there is no smal boats chaos. There are fewer crossings now than under the Tories. The biggest cause of crossings is Brexit. But even so, there aren't that many people actually coming across. Every day in the press and social media, but very few in real life.

I think the difficulty in any political party/group/view is that there are lots of different opinions between people of the same overall political persuassion. It isn't as straightforward as saying everyone wants X, Y, Z as we all want different versions of things.

Is she wrong though? She's saying that because of FPTP the actual number of people who voted Reform may be a minority. Can you address the point?

But, Reform 'politicians' are out of touch.
It's the party of billionaires. They don't care remotely about ordinary people who struggle.
It's a tragedy to me that people have fallen for the rhetoric that immigration is the cause of their problems. When in fact the NHS, the care sector, hospitality etc would collapse if not for immigration.
Desperate people seeking refuge from war & persecution are not the cause of our problems, the tax avoiding, multiple-home-owning billionaire class are the cause of our problems. To punch down is pretty disgusting to be honest.
I'm not a privileged person, I'm a struggling low-paid renter with complex health issues.
I will never ever blame those worse off than myself for the challenges I face. Depressing that so many people are 😔

But these are broadly Reform policies - the tax threshold rise is almost identical to their position. So why would you not want a Reform government when you agree (and seem think the majority of others agree) with these policies?