To think the main Mumsnet demographic are out of touch politically

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Reform.are smashing the polls yet any Reform voter is despised and ridiculed on here.

I personally will never vote reform. They would be an absolute disaster for this country. How any woman could vote for them is beyond me.

Not one comment of mine wss mean.

Since Brexit, I’ve tended to scroll through the Daily Mail most days. I accept that I was genuinely surprised when Brexit was voted for and I made a conscious decision to try and find out why.

Populism is called populism for a reason. It speaks to the fears of a large proportion of the population and creates simple 3-word slogans that suggest easy solutions to problems “get Brexit done”, “stop the boats”.. etc. It is appealing and it makes its supporters feel heard. The right wing media have pushed a them and us agenda; the “silent majority” who feel that Farage and his ilk speak for them in a way other politicians don’t.

The reality is, for the most part, most people don’t want to engage in extensive political debate. I strongly suspect that very few Reform voters can name a single genuinely thought out and costed Reform policy, but they don’t need to. Farage is still promising sunlit uplands and unicorns, just as he did during the Brexit campaign. And while he’s still (thankfully) a fair way from power, he doesn’t need to put any of his false promises into practice, so it remains attractive to people disillusioned with the other parties.

For what it’s worth, I’m disappointed that Reform didn’t do as well as predicted and didn’t take over some more councils. We’ve reached a stage now that until they are given positions of responsibility, people won’t realise how thin their slogans are.

Agree

there is a section on MN who will always predict a Labour landslide (this time not no one is that foolish) some will have moved over to the Greens and cant seem to recognise that as a country we tend to vote more to the right, not so far to the right and let’s hope this result is just a one off but unfortunately I think this now shows how seriously we need to take Farage and his appeal to voters. He had used this. I have often expressed this for too long he has been mocked and not taken seriously enough which has been a huge mistake

Chinny reckon

Actually the comment was measured and well explained. She is right that tactical voting and coordination could well kick in in a general election scenario.

MN doesn’t represent any reality I know, it’s a bubble.

Where is your source for this please?

Not Irony. Game plan.

Is it nasty? I think the majority understand how it works, we don't need a condescending ELI5 about how an election works in this country.

The one I quoted was unnecessary and uncalled for. Please don’t complain about insults and rudeness when you’re so quick off the mark with them.

Surely we had Tories for ages and they messed up -got Labour more recently in the hope they’d get things sorted and if anything are worse (except for Shsmama Mahmood) so Reform is a desperate vote in desperate times -I don’t think anyone really hopes for much but Labour isn’t working

Embarrassing for who? What an odd thing to say. If I was going to be embarrassed about anything it would mean I was taking it personally. Which would be a 'me' problem.

I'll tell you what makes me cringe, though. The sight of Nigel Farage prancing about and gurning like a precocious, oily game show host at his little PR stunts this week.

Nevertheless, he's the only one who should feel embarrassed at his antics.

It’s hilarious that Reform are evil for making false promises -surely that’s why Tories and Labour are losing votes - lying to get in to power

Evidence for this?

It seems strange to me that you're constantly accusing everyone of having nothing but insults, because to be honest that's all I see here from you. It was a well reasoned post and you haven't rebutted it at all.

They may still win more councils. A lot of results to come.
Like you, I was surprised by Brexit, and was even more surprised later that year when Trump was elected in the U.S. And I, similarly, started trying to find out why.
It’s actually not rocket science. The established parties have become fat and complacent (or rather, they HAD!), and people won’t put up with it any more. Social
media has allowed the disillusioned to find each other, and embolden each other to reach for change.

All of this political mess we now find ourselves in is the fault of the two main parties. These results are ‘good’ in the short term as they’ll cause a shakedown within the centre ground parties, and hopefully a more responsive political landscape in future.

I am intrigued by people voting for reform in local elections. What kind of changes are they hoping to see? At the local level I mean?

Because on social media it seems to be just the local racists and brexiteers celebrating. Are they planning new policies where foreigners only get their bins emptied once a month?

Our local reform candidate couldnt explain a single thing he was interested in at the local level

I was told i do not understand the electoral system. That is a passive aggresive way if saying i'm clearly stupid.
I take that as an insult and i refuse to engage with a poster who claims to be 'superior'.

Yes. I’m from a very middle class area in the midlands, and everyone around me will vote for Reform or Conservatives. Maybe a few Labour.

But you did engage with her in an openly insulting way.

I’d say the total opposite. The majority on here are left and anti Brexit. They might not be as far left as you would like but it’s certainly Left leaning.

Well, since you were so kind as to wait for me, perhaps you could respond to my point? If you understood it?

It’s not a misunderstanding of the electoral system anyway. It’s just a kicking to Labour. Even Labour MPs have recognised the deep dislike of Starmer on the doorstep.

Probably because people on Mumsnet tend to be more educated and have basic common sense so they can spot a xenophobic, racist, Russia/Trump loving grifter with questionable funding sources who helped destroyed our economy by supporting Brexit when they see one...

Plus the majority are women who know that Reform is not a friend of women having rights and control of their bodies. And also a younger demographic than the many pensioners who love Farage.

I will never vote for a Poundland Trump.

My local authority in Kent is led by Reform. They have been useless o far and simply brought us higher council tax and general mismanagement.