To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

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I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

Use your imagination

Exactly,

• how?
• how much will it cost? and
• where’s the money going to come from?

are missing very notably from many

but part of me thinks maybe Reform needs to get into power and fail to prevent them always looming so large in politics for the foreseeable. I’m not sure many of their voters will like what all their policies actually mean in practice when the rubber hits the road. Perhaps a quick burn out in power is worth the risk. I know this is scary for many

Nobody has a manifesto out with policies as yet, but we do know Reform have talked about removing incentives for illegal immigration from a high level. On the other hand, we do know exactly what Labour are doing. Nothing. Except for putting up taxes.

I think you’re right. They need to have a chance to fail in a very visible way so the appeal is significantly diminished ahead of a GE. Short term pain, long term gain

Respectfully, that’s just bollocks, isn’t it? Just off the top of my head, I know the government has reached agreements with France and Germany on these issues.

You might not agree with their policies or think they’re ineffective, but a basic Google search demonstrates they aren’t doing “nothing”.

Even if they tried, they wouldn’t be able to outdo Labours spectacular failures.

Germany? Not sure.
They have a one in one out deal with France, where the U.K. has returned 305 migrants to France and accepted 367. So not nothing, but I guess worse than nothing …which could be Labours slogan actually.

Aren't you just lovely, 'simple minded folk'

You are showing what a Reform voter is.

I did wonder about that actually. It could be their undoing if they perform really badly at a local level. But I think most councils are so strapped for cash and public services are so dire anyway these days, that most people will barely notice or care if Reform make things marginally worse, or fail to make them any better. We've all become so accustomed to the fact that nothing works any more and everything has utterly gone to shit. How much worse could it be?

What Reform do have in their favour are some heavyweight ex-Tories in their ranks now. People who (regardless of what you think of them personally) have had proper experience in both business and in government at a high level.

That's something that cannot be said for anyone in the Greens.

But haven’t Conservatives and now Labour done that!

On the other hand, we do know exactly what Labour are doing. Nothing. Except for putting up taxes.

Such a sweeping and unfounded statement based on ….
Where is your critical thinking and research about facts?

Just looking at government data on immigration shows the complexities, the achievements, where there is more to do.

But don’t let data and facts get in the way of a stereotypical statement.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-december-2025/summary-of-latest-statistics

How about you tell me what you are regard as achievements from that data? and I’ll explain why they amount to nothing and then I’ll summarise all the tax rises that Labour have achieved, some of which are to fund their failures on immigration.

Personally I don’t think Labour can save themselves regardless of Burnham. It’s not just the PM but all of them seem incapable of running a country and have made it fairly obvious they’re in it for their own selfish agenda. It’s been constant scandal after scandal and it was the same last time they were in power, especially at a local level with councils. And conservatives have also had their fair share of scandals too albeit this latest scandal involving Mandleson is far worse than anything I’ve seen politically in my opinion. It would take an awful lot for either of them to win back the trust of the general public.

Im not sure about Andy Burnham but Keir Starmer has made it pretty obvious he sees Burnham as a threat and has done all he can to prevent Burnham from getting in his way by playing dirty politics.

I agree with this. I know many people who have been around a long time who have said that this is the worst government to ever exist in their lifetime. I can remember as far back as Thatcher, John Major, Tony Blair Gordon Brown. Then came along Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak. And whilst they have all had their faults, not one of them, I feel have been anywhere near as bad as Starmer. And I feel the only people who could do any worse than him are other members of the Labour Party who are likely to replace Keir Starmer if he was to ever resign.

Neither of which I voted for either so you make up your own mind

I am one of those who assert that this is the worst government, since the 1970’s at least.

When you say quantitative vs qualitative is a matter of economics, I feel like we’re definitely not seeing this from the same point of view. I don’t want to discount your opinion, as it doesn’t seem like you mean it to be as ruthlessly capitalist as I’m reading it. But yes, apologies for making any assumptions - I’ve got a migraine, I’m under a lot of stress, and I’m being a bit of an asshat and getting into political arguments online. I appreciate your point, and I’ll try to think about it subjectively.

Sorry, but you can't seriously be putting Liz Truss' government aread this one? In power for 6 weeks or less, 10 days of which she was prevented from doing anything because the country was in mourning but she still managed to create havoc!

I don't deny that this government has made mistakes/misteps, but to put them on a par with that is stretching a point, I feel...

I grew up under Thatcher by the way so have a similar timeline to look back on, and I think things got steadily worse from David Cameron onwards.

Sorry but regardless of ‘how bad’ Liz Truss may have been, she isn’t the one who appointed the mate of a paedophile then tried to cover it up and also stopped members of her own party voting for an enquiry. It all comes down to who is playing the most dirty politics and Starmer has topped that by far

She enjoys hanging out with one, Trump

They’ve been totally inept in a council near me. Seeing as their main plan was to get rid of all the DEI posts, which didn’t even exist.

I don't disagree that the appointment of Mandelson was a disaster. I don't think that cancels out absolutely everything else that has gone well. I would argue that Keir Starmer has done about as well as could be hoped for on the international scene, given the somewhat difficult times we're living through.
I do think it's a shame they've not managed to make as much progress as they might have done given the huge majority they were given.

I do

Well if people want to vote against their own interests then let them:

1. A lot of the men that attend these far right marches who are white have criminal convictions for domestic abuse against their partners, but they’re white so that’s fine.
2. The boats crisis was caused by Brexit something that the Reform party when they were UKIP championed. So if you trust them to fix it, more fool you.
3. Reform want to charge childless women a tax for not having children.
4. Reform want to do away with women’s rights to their own bodies making abortion harder.
5. Reform will do away with EHCR, so no more maternity leave or pay, no equal pay to a man protections and employment rights will be eroded.
6. People will have to pay for healthcare. Look at how many people go bankrupt in the US and their premiums increase every year. I see people walking the streets who clearly can’t even afford NHS dentist prices, god only knows how they will cope with having to pay for healthcare.
7. From the end violence against women: Almost one in three women will experience domestic abuse, and sexual offences are at the highest level recorded.
8. One woman every four days in the UK is murdered by a partner or ex-partner.
9. More than 90% of perpetrators of rape and sexual assault are known to their victims.
10. One in two rapes against women are carried out by a partner or ex-partner.
11. One in three adult survivors of rape experience it in their own home.

This group have called on the U.K. government to stop far right groups from weaponising sexual abuse.

What has ‘gone well’?