To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

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I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

Personally I can’t see what this Labour government have done that’s gone well. I also cannot see past the sleaze and constant scandals and ‘jobs for the boys’.

Doesn't that apply to all parties?

JCB donated to Reform and now have Reform MP's promoting their Pothole machines.

And what do you think of the £5m donation?

What has that got to do with my question “what have Labour done that’s gone well?”. I’m asking what you feel Labour have done well at, not reform.

I put this down to them being in opposition for so long, they have forgotten that they have to actually govern rather than try and make the conservatives look bad. They simply don’t have any positive policies, everything is framed against a strange fight against some sort of enemy (with the broadest shoulders) to prove a point, usually Conservatives or Reform, but in the last 2 years it has included retired people, independent school children, pubs, farmers, employers, small business owners and landlords.

I think if the whispers about Rayner becoming chancellor are correct it will be the final nail in their coffin!

I was also going to add that I am glad that Labour have invested so heavily in the NHS. Under the last Tory governments our Healthy life expectancy has gone back to 2014 levels. It has actually decreased. Let that sink in. It’s worse under the North south divide as well. And that’s not due to covid. It’s due to austerity measures.

190’000 excess deaths under austerity measures that is the cost of the last Tory government. of people like you and me who are expendable. So yes I actually think the Tories collectively were the worst government ever not Labour.

Surely there’s some sort of law that a Chancellor has to have at least a D grade in GCSE maths (or equivalent) to run a £3 trillion economy?

Like Reform give a fuck about women’s rights and lives. They only give a fuck about their possessions. I don’t fancy living here under reform, it’s bad enough with ordinary lying politicians.

But did she appoint anyone who she knew had an association with paedophiles while she was in government then try to cover it up?

Reform representatives just want to reform their bank accounts into Swiss ones, by gaining power.

Just a few

Emplyments Right Act
Renters Right Act
Abolishing hereditary peers
Breakfast Clubs
Orgreave Inquiry launch
Scrapping Domestic Violence Victim Fees

Now about the jobs for the boys, sleaze and scandals?

It wasn't covered up, it is all over the news

And not many objected to the appointment at the time, especially not Farage

Farage and Trump?

Politics academic here. Reform are a classic example of a populist party and there's no reason why the UK would be immune when so many other countries have fallen prey to populism. But it rarely lasts long.

That said Farage and Reform are classic opportunists and protest parties. Protest parties rarely have many ideas for government.

I think it could go either way but both Labour and Conservatives have to up their game. The Greens are just becoming left wing populists (yes it's a thing).

They may well get in on that however ...what has reform said it will and can legally do to stop people risking theirs and our lives by coming over unvetted ?

How can it ?
We are tied into the echr and all sorts of problems that make it impossible now.

Unless soldiers are allowed along the beach in France forming a line 24/7 to stop people actually boarding the boats and then people know lorrys will increase .

I have no faith anyone has a solution

It’s ok - really no need to apologise. We are on the same page.

Please take it easy, and try to relax during the long weekend!

Unlike you, I have lived in other countries and speak multiple languages. If you’re considering voting Reform, it’s YOU who doesn’t belong in this country as you are a traitor and do not deserve to be here and benefit from this wonderful country we call home.

1: Stop The Boats
Framed as a slogan, not a solution, ignores root causes like war, poverty, and asylum backlogs. Supporting the illegal war in Iran (as Farage did) would only further cause issues and thanks to Brexit and the scrapping the Dublin Regulation, illegal migration increased.
2: Secure and Defend Our Borders
Border security matters, but this leans toward fear politics over humane, workable migration systems.
3: Deport Illegal Migrants
Oversimplifies complex legal cases, risks breaching human rights and due process. I do agree that criminals should be deported though. However, this is something Trump has tried to do and the lack of training and regulation by ICE has led to many instances of America citizens being held in camps for months on end just because they are brown - this includes children.
4: Scrap ILR
Undermines stability for people who have built lives here and contribute to society and will rip families apart - including my own.
5: Restore Britain’s Sovereignty
Vague nostalgia, real sovereignty today means cooperation, not isolation as we are nothing without our allies.
6: Make Law Abiding Citizens Feel Safe
then we need to clamp
down on media who push lies and fear mongering to push their agenda - invest in critical thinking lessons at school so people have the ability to fact check and realise that they are incredibly safe and London which Reform would have you believe is a no go zone, is the safest it’s been in decades - of and the most diverse!
7: Make Work Pay
Agree with the goal, but their broader policies like cuts and deregulation often do the opposite.
8: Scrap Net Zero
Ignores climate reality and risks long term economic and environmental damage. Counter productive to point 9.
9: Support Our Farmers and Rural Economy
Fine in principle, but lacks serious funding or a sustainable farming strategy. If you support farmers you wouldn’t agree to war a in Iran which is stopping important fertilisers that farmers rely on from coming into the country. Look at the US and hear what Trump (Farages bestie) has done to their farming industry. It’s on it’s knees.
10: Revitalise British Manufacturing
Needs green investment and skills training, not just slogans about the past.
11: Make Britain the Best Place to Start and Run a Business
How will this work when they want to scrap minimum wage. Risks becoming a race to the bottom on wages, taxes, and protections.
12: Defend and Protect British Culture and Traditions
What are they exactly? Morris dancers? I’d be keen to know. This is often used to exclude rather than celebrate a diverse, evolving society. To succeed society must evolve.
13: Rebuild Britain's Armed Forces
Hang on, Reform are the Conservative Party MP’s dustbin, and who is responsible for continuously underfunding and cutting military spending - so why have the changed their tune? Do you trust them to suddenly change their beliefs?
14: Help British People Have Families
Real help means free childcare, affordable housing, and wages, not vague cultural appeals.
15: Put British Workers First
Divisive framing, workers rights should apply to everyone to prevent exploitation. Farmers cannot find enough workers to help them harvest their crops. English people don’t want the jobs. Brexit caused this. Thanks Farage with your bus of lies! The NHS never did get those extra millions did it!
16: Put British Businesses First
Favours corporations over workers, consumers, and the environment.
17: Embrace Technologies of the Future
This needs ethical regulation and public benefit, not just profit. I would look at the big tech leaders and
18: Dramatically Cut Foreign Aid
very short sighted, aid helps prevent crises and also prevents people fleeing their own country and coming to ours ‘boat people’

Again, a simple fact check would tell you this is incorrect and a lie.
Among 18 to 24 year olds, polling shows the Green Party as the most popular at around 30 to 37 percent, with Labour roughly in the 20 to 25 percent range, and Liberal Democrat’s around the mid teens. Conservatives are quite low, often under 10 percent. Reform is even lower!

If anyone thinks reform give a shiny shit about you or anything you care about and you vote for them then I really hope you enjoy living in your poorly run town where you’ll be whining for the government to come rescue you and your poorly run and poorly funded local services

Have you read the data? Can you not see what has been achieved? You need to do your research so that you know what you are talking about. (And not rely on me).

I have a theory - and I might be wrong - that if a white man were leading the Conservative Party, Reform’s support would slump.

I think that racists have deserted the Tory party because they can’t countenance voting for a black woman.

You aren’t politically centre if those are your concerns (or if you can vote Reform). You just see social media even further right than you.

Yes I read it and see no achievements. Which is why I asked you ( the person who claimed there were achievements) what those achievements are. You (the person who claimed there were achievements) doesn’t seem to be able to list any, because I (The person who says there were no achievements) should research to find some and tell you what these non existent achievements are.
I can tell you are a Labour supporter.

Mn can be this but generally she polls higher than the party so probably not. Her ratings have gone up but the party is still behind that.

I’m sorry, this is self delusion on an epic scale.