To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

[Whatdoyouthinktothis]

I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

People shouldn’t lie. But that some do doesn’t mean no asylum seekers need sanctuary.

A reason to be wary of them and to not let them in to be fair.

Is it? Should France block English men from holidays because of Fred West et all?

I feel as you do..voting Tory to try & keep them out. Hope Kemi will be OK.

Why ask if you know so much better?

It's not difficult to find out some basic facts before making these comments.

You know there is something called an asylum process?

And how will the 'not letting them in' work? Come on, engage your brain.

The conviction rates per 10,000 population for each nationality are very clear.

I don’t think they keep figures by nationality do they? Or maybe they started very recently. Anyway it’s a small percentage of all races isn’t it?
Crime is wrong. Criminals should be dealt with. Policing should help reduce crime. But crime is not, in my view, a reason to deny a whole country’s citizens help and support.

it’s a small percentage of all races isn’t it

O.M.G.

You don't let them in. You deport them.

Where is that data from?

https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/over-100000-foreign-national-convictions

You have to let them in in order to deport them

Just checking that you know it is not illegal to claim asylum? And to claim asylum in the UK, you need to be on British soil?

Thanks

CMC, and debatable numbers

Now you're arguing semantics. I meant not letting them stay and into our communities. I'm happy to detain and deport them.

They currently have a right to claim asylum.... In suggesting we use the law to change that.

MOJ FOIs

Clearly, the asylum system is not working for the UK.

I'm open to whichever party trying to make it work, eg deporting people immediately their asylum claim is denied, single appeal permitted - no stringing them out, asylum never given to anyone who entered illegally.

I do think actually implementing those measures might make a differnce. If not - or human rights lawyers block timely implementation - the next step is introducing immediate removal to offshore processing.

If people continue to abuse the asylum system, I'm not against the UK leaving the refugee convention. It was created for a very different world, and I'm not convinced it's fit for purpose now.

This is how I feel. I’m a natural conservative but if there were a two-horse race between the Greens and Reform I fear the Greens more.

Definitely!

Not all countries are in it. At some point we have to prioritise UK citizens. They deserve to be safe.

I think humanitarian visas are a way to go. Once people see it’s possible to do without deaths at sea no one wants to go back.

It takes a new system though, and can’t just be done via safe routes.

But you are still pleased he was voted in? What good things did he do?

So my father died alone after 3 weeks (alone) on a covid ward, my kids’ paternal grandmother died alone in a covid ward 18 hours previously- my mother had to be told from a 6 feet away gap and later we found her shoulder hadn’t set after a fall but no one had got round to x-rating it - cos Covid. The wards were horrific too btw.

I mean my parents too were pleased for Boris getting in - they never realised he and his mates were laughing and partying whilst things like this happened all over the country they presided over.

You May say this is now personal - well yes but to 1000s of others as well - let alone the impact on nearly every sector of society - to me this does outweigh anything, absolutely anything he may have done - but then again I cannot recall one single ‘good’ thing he did do.

Well I’m not looking at that - however ‘if’ this were to be a fact, which I doubt tbh, maybe trying integration instead of trying to burn hotels down would start and be a help to helping them mmm integrate - we never learned from Windrush times and now it’s worse - ESOL funding cut, anti brown neighbours and crowds of no marks hating on them.

You do know that nearly the only way to make a claim for asylum here is by what is illegal entry? Obviously, it becomes non illegal once the claim is made.

I wish some government of any colour would be clearer on the facts of immigration though.

They also want healthcare and care in old age - how’s that balance then?

They are as safe as they ever were, or can be with restricted services including the police/courts.

I have suggested trying better integration on a separate post too.