To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

[Whatdoyouthinktothis]

I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

To be fair. I believe the economic research showed EU migration was a net positive..overall net contributors. There was a small negative wage impact, but this was only in certain low skilled sectors.

And as it is based on one income only rather than shared income, most people will qualify for child benefits.

We did.

Johnson (and Farage) put a stop to that.

And anyone who voted for the 'oven ready Brexit deal' in 2019.

I believe the economic research showed EU migration was a net positive..overall net contributors

In fact the studies were mixed - you are thinking of one study which received more publicity than others.

I think there were worries about about EU expansion. The fact it's kinda hard to say no if free movement is baked in. You just HAVE to accept everyone.

And the worries that many left leaning EU countries (like Germany) granted migrants permanent residency on mass. And given it's been 10 years. Many now have citizenship, under EU free movement they would have been eligible to move here.

Thanks for challenging me. Good to hear both sides of the debate.

Freedom of Movement flows both ways

Fear mongering about Eastern European's and Turkiye

And immigrants of the 'wrong kind' as you so nicely demonstrate

Funny how no other country has left the EU

It’s unlikely settled folk in Germany - we are talking 10 years - are all going to suddenly decide to live here.

I know there’s uproar from the media and all sorts of numbers thrown about regarding the amounts that ‘could’ come here and implication they’re all booking boats right now fgs - only they won’t all come here by a long shot - there’s talk of Afghan women - I mean how do you imagine they can even leave Afghanistan - the authorities deliberately only allow so many members of a family a Passport for one, and they need a guardian at all times with them too - many reasons that those we should/would help have next to zilch hope of getting out of their situation anyhow. Some Afghans were promised safety as they helped the British - evacuation was an absolute disaster area - so there’s some of those trying to- but most countries involved took in way more Afghan people.

France takes many more asylum seekers than us as they wanted to go to France, maybe they spoke French already or had relatives there - just my wild idea!

Oh and just to add the vastest number of refugees are living on camps in Africa, Jordan, Bangladesh - millions of them.

Maybe cutting Foreign Aid would not be productive?

There’s so many barriers in place but if people can make it to France and there’s a Greens style approach then there’s no way people would choose a very unsafe, freezing in winter and risky camp instead.

You’re right though men are more likely to try, women are stuck and all the policies rn make it near impossible.

Why don't Reform supporters just admit that they're Reform supporters, instead of pretending to be "long-time Labour supporters" who just woke up racist this morning? If supporting Reform is so shameful that you have to hide it, you have some serious thinking to do.

Yes - from the camps - which are dire by the way - they are aiming for the U.K. I meant a lot just claim in France and don’t go those camps - and obviously go to many other countries altogether.

Baffles me too - it’s so disingenuous to pretend you’re left leaning then have no choice but to go far right - so many stops on the way to make too!

You spelt 'ruining' wrong.

Camps anywhere will be similar. Terrible places and not where people would choose to stay if barriers are removed.

The majority of refugees flee to neighbouring countries

I mean they might want to. Lots of the people seem to cross the channel and risk death to come here.

The Afghani man who shot 2 US guardsmen and killed one helped the CIA a lot in Afghanistan. He was given shelter and refuge and still decided to attack 2 serving soldiers.

It seems a lack of being able to understand what that might be like to think people wouldn’t prefer safety and warmth elsewhere.

What do you mean by that?

Anything ‘might’ happen - and that’s exactly how all these headlines are constructed - and why not they clearly work!

Rationally, they wouldn’t all want to come here. In actual realistic terms of what is happening they certainly don’t all come here with other countries taking, or hosting, many many more.

Plenty of bad people everywhere - they should be punished.
Not everyone is bad.
Over 120m people are currently displaced in the world - this needs accepting and a humanitarian response providing.
I prefer to live in a humane country that tries to help and offers refuge.

Fun fact - I live bang opposite a hotel of asylum claimants - I recognise none of the issues that are bandied about - I am more troubled by the white drug dealers and users also sitting close by - or I would be if I felt such an urge to make it my business to get upset and complain and cry.

Some basic facts

https://www.refugee-action.org.uk/about/facts-about-refugees/

Neighbouring countries might accommodate people such as Poland for Ukrainians, but for many refugee camps are unsafe and bad enough to want to leave, should barriers be removed.

They won't all want to come to the UK, even if 'all barriers' were removed.

I don’t believe anyone has posted ‘all’ but surely you can imagine what you might want in any country.

Accommodation and healthcare, not a tent city.

Many people do seem to have a problem with providing accommodation and healthcare for refugees.

You have seen the hotel shouters, articles on the subject in the media, threads on MN?

I am sure you can imagine the outrage if people were to be brought here by ferry rather than small boat.

Even on this thread it is being said that they don't want people from backwards countries here.