To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

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I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

I fear Reform will get in unless something changes dramatically.
And then what happens?
The prospect is hideous.

He broke the Brexit deadlock and actually delivered it.

Made us a leader in the fight against climate change and a leader in the green energy transition.

He delivered a very speedy and well run vaccine rollout. We excited lockdown very fast in 2021 (relative to our peers). We had furlough. He supported Ukraine.

I'm sorry you lost family. But what he was fined for was cake and sandwiches.

Humanitarian visas are an example of safe and legal routes

Bit you aree arguing with posters who are against any form of asylum, even for women and children.

Idk if they are, I’m sure everyone can post their own views.

To get to a place where there’s managed, capped and vetted people arriving on humanitarian visas is incredibly hard as it buffers against laws, but it is doable.

Are the majority of the boat people women and children?

The UK is an incredibly open, tolerant society. People hand-wronging clearly have no idea.

It's not our responsibility to bend over backwards. It's a privilege to come here, not a right.

Low-skilled immigration is not a solution to health and care needs. Training our own young people and getting them to do the work is. There are currently about 957,000 young people aged 16 to 24 in the UK not in education, employment, or training.

Low-skilled immigration is nothing but a ponzi scheme.

(I'm all for high-skilled Immigration - with a requirement for immigrants to integrate successfully and accept UK values - but that's a totally separate question from illegal immigration)

Asylum seekers, Refugees.

I have a very good idea how some people treat asylum seekers - I counter protest outside hotels and I can tell you they’ve tried to break in, tried to attack and been incredibly offensive to my side such as ‘hope your kids get raped you slag’ and plenty of other stuff.

I went on the counter to Tiny Tom and dodged bottles, and what I had thought was water - this just for saying people are welcome.

I spoke to my late mum’s care agency manager who was too scared to go and get her son milk from the shop during the riots.

I speak to drs worried about the NHS due to the staff feeling unwelcome.

I speak to a neighbouring SUTR where they’re overwhelmed with families begging for help to be moved due to daily abuse and often violence.

I can’t get a paid job teaching ESOL as there’s no funding.

People are not showing this tolerance - they’re really not.

Posters on this thread prove differently but I accept that they migh just be controversial for the sake of an argument.

That said racists will find a home with Reform.

Well Brexit can’t be rehashed here.

I will recognise climate stuff as good - sorta puts the kybosh on voting Tory or Reform now though doesn’t it?

Ukraine ditto above - they’re more keen on getting in bed with that insane orange guy and fighting in the Middle East!

Furlough was a very supportive measure - thank you Rishi - but actually seen as a Morr left wing type proposal.

Covid turned into an absolute shitshow - I give anyone leeway on the initial and even later management of this - it was an impossible situation - but honestly the laughing, the partying, the comments on bodies piling high was despicable- I felt like my parents were taking it seriously as government said to do so - they weren’t themselves though and no I can’t get past that.

I’m sure everyone here is sorry for those who lost family and thank you, appreciate you said that - however, it’s not an odd or unusual story - it happened to 1000s - whilst our dear leader laughed.

I think if any gov had worked out how to do managed, capped and vetted process, maybe with a skew towards women rather than men it wouldn’t be so febrile. Not just here but across the EU.

That’s not possible with the laws as they are. And it means when horrendous crimes occur the only option is to minimise.

Nobody will answer the question why UK though - travelling through Europe for what? Why not a country I could easily assimilate into - Mauritius, Botswana, Namibia, Rwanda, Ghana, Zambia, Senegal and on and on why us when most people here don’t want them. And if you can put a finger on the one thing a man from Africa throws away his passport and leaves his family then this is the pull that needs closing down. May be different for other continents but what’s the pull - that’s the secret! And don’t say language and don’t say Empire - we are over that.

You can be over that, it doesn't mean you can ignore the facts

Look up which countries take in most of the refugees,it might surprise you.

Good sensible point.

they’ve put cash into schools in the form of breakfast clubs for example

Breakfast clubs were supposed to be funded from changes to non-dom status - not VAT on private school fees.

Labour appear to have spent the VAT money on housing policies - or as the Telegraph puts it;
Starmer accused of using private school VAT raid to ‘house illegal migrants’.
‘Worst-case scenario’ for schools as money promised to education funnelled into affordable housing.

Keir Starmer
@ Keir_Starmer
In the budget last year, my government made the tough but fair decision to apply VAT to private schools. The Tories opposed it. Reform opposed it. Today, because of that choice, we have announced the largest investment in affordable housing in a generation.
2:17 PM · Jun 11, 2025

However -
In December [2024] Chancellor Rachel Reeves told reporters “every single penny” of the £1.5bn it hoped to raise from the private school VAT raid would be ring-fenced for state education.
In an interview with ITV, Ms Reeves was asked: “Will all of that money be ring-fenced for state schools?”
She replied: “Yes, every single penny of that money will go into our state schools to ensure that every child gets the best start in life.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/keir-starmer-accused-using-private-school-vat-house-migrant/

As an aside, I looked through the VAT on schools fees policy document before the 2024 election - it did indeed mention housing and other stuff - which I pointed out at the time.

I hear what you are saying - but just because we have a lot of unemployed youngsters we can’t just slot them into care jobs.

There’s probably (sadly) good reason for a lot of them not being employed- and that would apply most certainly to care work.

Most people do not want to do care - in a home or in the community - they just don’t. I mean I am one of those people too tbh. It’s a hard and relentless and low paid unsocial hours role. It absolutely should be valued much, much more, but it’s not and there’s no cash to change that so what do we do?

Then there is our dropping birth rate that needs plugging.

The NHS is held up by immigrants - I said earlier there are drs now attending our meetings (not their natural home tbh) and working out how to make current staff feel ok - this includes everyone from consultants to cleaners - so some highly skilled yes, but not all.

As above these 16-24 year olds are either not fit for this environment either, or they’re unwilling and that’s not good for the people in there.

My late mum had carers for 3 years, 6 double up calls per day - I met just 2 white Brits - middle aged ladies. I’m very glad there were the many, many others available- it was a young man from Zimbabwe who sat, held her hand and sang with her just 2 days before she died - we have the video I managed to catch then - he did it other times as well - she had a birthday cake and chippie chips and so much from them. Don’t dismiss these workers.

My daughter was also a carer for many years and has heard the elderly shouting at non Brits to not touch them - one of my late mum’s carers was shouted at and racially abused for Rashforth et Al missing those penalties - many stories I could tell. I do recognise it may be considered different for the elderly or they may have some dementia as my daughter has had minimal abuse too - but my point is these workers you dismiss are doing shit work with compassion that our kids wouldn’t do.

Lots of young people are drawn to care work, including several of my family members. It's hard but rewarding, in much the same way as many health jobs. But the pay isn't enough for people to make it a career.

The reason the pay isn't high enough is because instead the care agencies and homes bring in cheap labour from other countries. And the only reason immigrants come here and do low-paid caring work (usually only for a short time before becoming a taxi driver) is because it gives them access to a UK visa.

The biggest irony? Low paid immigrants cost the UK a fortune over their lifetime. It costs much, much more over a lifetime to bribe immigrants to come to the UK with the promise of a visa than it would to pay enough for our own young people to be interested in caring as a career.

But that cost comes later... and can be hidden...

It's so wrong.

That is really fab in your family - I do think it’s one of the toughest jobs out there, though one that can make the most difference.

I think more may be drawn to the NHS support work than social overall - just as hours/conditions.

I agree that how care is set up is not great, particularly the respect offered to carers. Although, saying that the council my ma was in was changing guidance - and making it worse for those being cared for and even harder for local care agencies - taking it towards a model of larger agencies, some based not even in the area but just conglomerate type things. This would increase the issues you raise tbh not start to alleviate them, so not looking great for any change.

Having said all that - the majority of our NEET youngsters still couldn’t slot in there - I’ve taught NEETs and whilst I’m sure there’s plenty different than those I had - they would have needed a lot of intervention and support to get to any role, let alone function in a care role.

There’s also no money, only Lib Dem’s have ever spoken much about care and it’s not going to change any time soon, so we are where we are and can’t change it and will have to keep relying on visas. Interestingly, a good few years ago I used to get EU students and they often worked in care and hospitality - albeit whilst they swapped up their qualifications for U.K. acceptable ones - I don’t know if/how much this changed after Brexit.

What I don’t like is the apparent dismissal of a lot of excellent carers on visas plugging an essential gap for our elderly/vulnerable. The dependent visa for carers was stopped a while ago so that was one complaint covered.

As I’ve said upthread there are drs worrying about people in the NHS wanting to leave, or at least feeling unwelcome and many carers get regular abuse - this really must stop - it’s an abhorrent way to behave to other people. It’s driven by this asylum stuff and I know folk can’t tell the difference fgs, but that shouldn’t make a difference, as we all should, at the very least, be humane to each other - and in turn help integration.

This is not any individual’s fault the stuff you don’t like - and I can tell you Reform will not be changing it along your preferred lines - it’s all ‘money to me, money to me, money to my mates’ - care is the last thing they’d think to improve and the NHS well - privatised.

If we need immigration, why not get it from the EU or the US, Canada, Australia , New Zealand. Somewhere where the cultural compatibility is easier.

We used to get it from the EU, remember? Then Brexit happened.

Yeah. That was a mistake. Which is why I don't like reform on all other policy issues.

Then go out and vote for a party that isn't Reform.

Your local council won't be stopping any boats any way.

I also blame Boris for the Boriswave

Restore?