To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

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I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

This is the kind of people you will be voting if you go for with Reform

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/05/mps-demand-reform-suspend-candidate-over-claims-he-celebrated-of-sikh-women

Because the schools were poorly managed with falling numbers?

The problem is that none of these are actual policies. They are just meaningless slogans.

I’ve debated this topic in good faith with you - but really, ‘grudges’ against kids and ‘spite’ - you’re getting ridiculous, and it clearly can’t be a rational discussion any more.

Yes, Iran is bloody important - to the whole damn country - and to my mind actually outweighs the lot - although I equally recognise it was unexpected and not part of a manifesto obviously. I mean I could say it would have been ‘spiteful’ of Reform/Tories to take us into the war and hopefully get shut of a few of the plebs they have ‘grudges’ against but that wouldn’t be a rational debate. However, it would align with their overall ideologies and approach to international relations so that’s a potential discussion.

You sound almost hysterical on this one topic - and I appreciate it’s important to you - and I’ll leave you alone batting for Reform. I reckon they won’t be too detrimental to your living standards actually so you’ll be fine whilst the rest of the U.K. burns I guess.

I do find that quite interesting to be fair as it’s pretty well shown that it’s the less well educated who vote that way normally - and I’m guessing you are actually quite an educated family.

@MsJinks you find it hard to believe that the Labour party put in a policy which deliberately harms a group of children - out of an ideological belief that it would be better if those children were diminished, even if there was no immediate gain for anyone else.

We shared your incredulity.

So we argued and explained... a lot... and eventually came to realise that it really was deliberate, not incompetence. And it wasn't only the Labour party, but a non-negligible part of society who actively wanted to bring our children down (with a far bigger percentage just not caring)

Several of the current Labour cabinet pushed to try to close private schools and steal redistribure their assets in 2019. It's been an aim for longer, but here's some contemporaneous evidence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49786645

Private school VAT (and business rates) are just their latest attempt to destroy them. For them, it's personal. But guess what - it's personal for us too. You don't get more personal than attacking our children.

Watch out over the next couple of years. When the story breaks that - surprise! - private school VAT cost more than it made, remember this thread.

I think the risk is actually when Reform get in - not from Reform themselves (I find their policies a bit shallow, but no more so than Labour) but because I think the entrenched Left will demonstrate that they only respect democracy when the outcome matches what they themselves want. That won't end well.

@IRodeIn - why do you prefer Reform over the Conservatives? Badenoch seems like she could bring genuine change in the right direction.

Are you imagining the entrenched left marching to Whitehall and trying to overthrow a Reform government or something?

Democracy was respected during the Tory years, during Brexit.

Reform will attack all our rights, they don't care about education. Happily cut SEN budgets in their councils.

But the left

Badenoch is promising to do all the things she couldn't do when she was in government.

Protestors can indeed create disproportionate damage, as we've seen in recent years, especially when they behave aggressively or illegally. But that's not what I'm talking about.

The Left find ways to oppose and wriggle round their obligations. When was the guidance on single sex spaces based on the April 2025 Supreme Court ruling due to be published again? And into that deliberate silence, several UK councils have continued to adopt motions that contradict it.

If Reform get a democratic mandate - through a manifesto promise - to exit ECHR and significantly change our immigration policy, do you think the civil service,, the courts the human rights law machine etc would respect that? Particularly when it's Reform, rather than one of the established parties?

But if Reform are blocked from implementing the bedrock of their manifesto, what then? Where does the demos go next, if they follow all the democratic rules to address what concerns them most, and it's still subverted by people who think they know better and are more important.

I think that would be a really dangerous crunch point.

I would think it is not just the Left demonstrating at that point but anyone who cares about democracy.

What is is that makes you so scared of the Left, who are even the Left in your eyes?

I remember numerous legal cases to try and block Brexit

Have you seem the Green party's policies, and the hate spouted by their candidates?!?

I'd expect anyone with any sense to be terrified of those extremists.

I'm not really afraid of the establishment Left (which is what I'm talking about) but I disagree with their politics and it annoys me that they subvert democracy. I find the cynical use of human rights law to cause harm particularly offensive.

Well considering only around 30% to 35% actually bother to vote then whomever wins, only possibly represents a small number of the electorate.

Watching TV this morning, so many can't be bothered, think all parties are the same (seriously odd response because they blatantly aren't), or don't vote because they aren't interested or know enough 🤔.

I imagine more than 30% moan though when things aren't to their expectations.

So it's Green party candidates that are the feared Left?

Extremists?

Have you seen the these pictures in the Times, Mail, Telegraph, Sun?

https://bsky.app/profile/benphillips76.bsky.social/post/3ml62yo5njk26

legal cases

Democracy

No. I can read what they say themselves.
Fucking nutters.

You can also read what Reform says but you do not fear them?

It s just the Left? Not the Right?

Not accepting the result of the referendum

Brexit happened.

No violence occured

democracy

Again. They tried using the courts to stop a democratic vote.

When? Was proroguing parliament a move to greater democracy?

I'm glad that Boris beat the deadlock by calling a GE that trashed Labour

How exactly are they going to do this?
Who is going to pay for this?
For example: help British people have families. What exactly does that mean? Are British people suffering inexplicable fertility issues? Otherwise what help do they need? Are we talking give them money? If so where will this money come from? More tax? How? By increasing the pension age yet again? By increasing taxes which don’t affect those who have children? So others have to pay for a British person to have a child.
Can you not see how irrational this is.
You might as well state ‘If I am elected I will make every single white British person immensely richer, vote for me!’
The answer you will get is that it is expensive to have children and always has been. There isn’t a magic cure.
You give to one sector of society then you take away from another sector.
They have made claims that they will reduce council tax, yet where exactly have they done this?
Are you fine with cutting social services to the elderly? Are you fine with dumping a dementia ridden 90 year old at home alone as that might be what it amounts to.
Otherwise how do you cut services which take up so much of others people’s taxes.
I would be interested in a debate about how exactly you achieve this.
I do agree that things could be different and better but just stating random slogans without giving a valid economic assessment of exactly how you will pay for it is not in anyone’s best interest.

As for stop the boats, exactly how?
Is Nigel Farage going to stand on the beach with a gun and shoot each and every immigrant dead?
What specific plans dues he have and again, how much will this cost and who is going to pay for it?
Which taxes will increase?
It’s a serious question.

I won't vote Reform, but I don't fear them.

Do you genuinely not fear the Greens?!?

The only reform thing I want is stopping the boats. The MN crowd educated me that we had something under the Dublin agreement where we could under an EU agreement return them to their first port of entrance. But TBF I understand why the EU doesn't want them as well.