To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

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I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

Presumably they have already hosted a Ukrainian?

For starters, Labour is not threatening to build detention centres in places that don't vote Labour.

Would you vote Reform to stop a detention centre being build in your town/city/village?

There’s also a charity that places refugees at home.

But it is illegal to enter without the correct documents/right to stay. And it is illegal to enter and a non-designated port.

They pass through multiple multiple safe countries. We owe nothing to them. Especially since we see the damage they cause.

Not that one again

I have had this conversation with a few of your fellow thread poster many times before. It is not the gotcha you think it is.

Could you cut/paste your answer to the PP’s?

Save time.

Very different to hosting an Afghani, Somalian or Iranian male

I’m pretty sure those admonishing others say no to that question.

Not the same level of fury when it comes to the Ukrainians, is there?

Nah, I will stop posting

Enjoy your frothing about asylum seekers. Vote Reform on Thursday if you think your local councillor will stop the boats.

Just check out their social media, quite a lot are happy to post racist comments on there. Farage hasn't sorted out the vetting yet.

Shared goal/opponent

Something to do with a more similar level of cultural compatibility and integration. And the fact that ALL Ukrainians men in Ukraine remained there to fight.

The boats need to stop. Something needs to be done. For all the ills (and there have been many) of the Trump administration they've blatantly stopped asylum applications and massively reduced illegal immigration and deported those who are in the states illegally.

OK, thanks.

Campbell’s stories are all the same anyway , I haven’t read this book but I can guarantee the Farage character will have ‘weapons of mass destruction’ which can reach the U.K. within 45 minutes.

AC is Mandelson spin era isn’t he? I think most can see how that’s turning out.

I’ve told you it’s not about a percentage of people. It’s about where it sits on the priority list. At the moment it’s not on there. Too much else to do.

Concentration camps weren’t invented by the Nazis, so that isn’t the origin.

This really is a very odd argument. Have you never recieved an invoice for anything before? I've attached an example image for you to see what they look like. It's exactly the same for school fees.

-The VAT is charged to the person buying the good/service (the parents, on behalf of the child).
-The consumer pays the VAT on what they have bought (education), at the legally defined rate. No adjustments, no choice by either the school or the parent

-It's collected by the business selling the goods/service (the school).
-Before sending the VAT collected to HMRC, the school may offset VAT they themselves paid when buying things they needed to provide the service (eg pens, building works etc).
-Each business along the supply chain does the same: collecting the VAT on the sale price, but then offsetting what they themselves bought. Ie they are responsible for collecting the tax on the value they themselves have added (hence the name).
-When all the parts along the supply chain are added up, the government recieve the whole 20% on the final price to the consumer (the parent) in total

This is exactly the same for all VAT.

Previously education wasn't taxed, so the end consumer (of pens, building work etc) was the school. That VAT was already being collected(by the supplier) and paid (by the school). But most of a schools costs are salaries, not goods. So now all those teacher salaries (plus the usual employment taxes) are included in the new total 'educational service' be taxed and the new end consumer (the parent) pays 20% VAT on the lot.

I do understand why you're confused. Labour deliberately used misleading, inflammatory language to pretend that schools had a choice. They don't. They are legally obliged to collect 20% on education services from the parents on behalf of HMRC. (Labour use inflammatory, populist, deliberately deceptive language a lot. You should watch out for it.)

Schools can, of course, reduce their fees. Then the fees+VAT will obviously be lower than fees+VAT at the original fee level. But then the school is recieving less in fees.🙄

Many schools have done exactly that. They reduced fees to reflect the VAT on supplies they can now offset: VAT the school was already paying, and so were already reflected in fees. (Note that state schools get that VAT on anything they buy reimbursed by the state, in addition to the per-head funding and their capital costs)

Schools also reduced their fees beyond that - making a temporary loss in order to smooth the punitive new cost to parents of the new 20% tax Plus the increase in business rates. Plus the increase in employers NI (remembering that most of a school's cost is salaries). Those extra taxes are on the school, but fees must reflect those increased costs. Yep, VAT is charged on the fee increase needed to pay all those other new taxes too... All added within a few months.. Labour really are fuckers.

But obviously that was just smoothing and fees must reflect costs or else the school will go out of business... as they have been at twice the usual rate since Labour introduced their deliberate destructive policy. Not many industries could withstand that kind of assault.

Can we stop this - you know full well the PP was not attempting to use CC in relation to the Boer War.

Hope so.

My preference is Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain. Reform isn’t very right wing at all, it’s just the media hyping it up. But until Restore grows, I’ll vote Reform just to move things along.

And what an absolute bonfire they’ve made of it all.

Their immigration rules are different to ours, and asylum seekers can work - so then they find they need some to work and have had to row back and stop deporting in certain areas or let some businesses just die of course. They never thought of this up front.

They’ve used this issue to help take a sledgehammer to the constitution and balance of power with the courts too.

Their detention and removal procedures are inhumane and 2 US citizens are dead - this is not the sort of country I care to live in.

Anyway, so vote Reform if you like - but don’t be disappointed when local councils don’t stop immigration- it’s not in their remit.

And if you vote for them at the GE don’t be surprised that not a lot changes around immigration actually- also don’t be surprised if they do get as far as dismantling rights and using that against everyone - not just those pesky migrants.

You may not like this policy - I know a lot don’t and that’s ok.

However, I think it’s one of the most Labour type policies they could have done - and they’ve put cash into schools in the form of breakfast clubs for example, which help some of the kids from a less prosperous background get a chance to achieve as well.

That would be exactly what I voted for tbh - not the VAT specifically - but the sort of levelling up approach for the poorer.

It would be great if there was sufficient cash for both things, but there isn’t. I do think it’s a bit of a shame for those not easily able to accommodate it of course I do, but there’s swings and roundabouts and each of us has to decide where our own principals and priorities lie.

I fell for some higher stamp duty last year due to the party I voted for this time being in power ha - but I’m ok with that - I didn’t vote for my personal finances.

I mean what can anyone say to this! Have you seen though that Restore find some of Reform’s policies too divisive?

Gonna now be a fight about who is less right wing and horrible! So you’ll have to maybe review both parties policies carefully come a GE for the most right wing.

It’s not funny at all though really is it - though certainly a lesson in how we forget so quickly.