To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

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I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

I do t feel conned. While I don’t agree with every policy (I never do) they have already delivered 2/3rds of the manifesto pledges.

Stop trying to push the misinformation.

Why won't you be accurate in your description?

Well I know that about your views on Labour. We’ll see how others feel after Thursday.

Yes, I’m one of those people, as I said to you (or someone making the same arguments as you) earlier. VAT on independent schools isn’t something I see as making any difference to the greater good one way or the other, so I look for policies affecting more than 7% of one group (school aged children). I think anyone changing their vote over VAT is probably only doing it for personal reasons, not the greater good (impression gained from discussions on here - it never comes up in real life despite me knowing a number of independent school teachers and parents)

It is just a link to HMRC that details the policy. I am not to blame if it doesn’t say what you thought it did.

www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-on-education-and-vocational-training-notice-70130

Know what about my views?
Yes, they’ll get a kicking on Thursday. Some of it deserved for unforced errors and chasing the Reform vote, some of it pushed by a right wing media and thousands of AI generated anti Labour lies on YouTube and elsewhere (there’s a Guardian article about it I read earlier. I’ll look for it if you want to see)

Oh a guardian article? Well that changes everything.

You just said you didn’t care about it as it doesn’t affect you ?

Before I had children I would still care about children’s education. Lots of us vote on issues that might not effect us directly, but we want what’s best for people and have empathy.

Although I’d disagree with you when you say that children’s education doesn’t affect you, it’s very important to all of us.

It definitely doesn't say it's a tax on education. Hope that helps.

So do you think it was wrong to end family reunification?

So why would you want a Conservative/Reform coalition, when they would happily see the return of more austerity as a result of welfare cuts, hugely impacting many children?

Aside from being in the name of the tax itself, it’s mentioned 132 times in the policy.

www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-on-education-and-vocational-training-notice-70130

You just quoted my answer to the first time you asked this.

I want the Labour harmful policies reversed, I believe Reform will do so and think conservatives might help rein them in a bit on some policies. It’s my highest priority as a voter now that Labour are removed and most if not all of their policies are reversed.

I did t say it changed everything. Or even amything. I was giving one of. Series of reason Labour will get a kicking. I didn’t even rank it first in the reasons.
It’s not so much the article as the facts within it. Verified by others. I do t trust the Guardian much these days (though possibly for different reasons). It’s a bit daft to dismiss facts based on a widely respected publication, even if it deisagrees with your own views. Anyway. Here it is. Have a read and see if you consider the sources reliable enough for you.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/dec/13/fake-anti-labour-video-billion-views-youtube-2025

That link has the word education 117 times. You're just delivering a whole feast of misinformation

If you read it, then it does specify which institutions pay the VAT. Primarily private schools.

No. I don’t care about it as it doesn’t affect the vast majority of people. I vote based on the greater good. A policy affecting less than 7% of families with school aged children isn’t going to affect the greater good, is it? I get that it’s important to you. But if you really vote for the greater good you’ll discount that.

Edit to add: I didn’t say, or imply, that children’s education didn’t affect the greater good (or me personally). I said VAT on private education didn’t. And it doesn’t.

Nope, 132 times. No institutions at all pay the education tax, it’s paid by the child (fee payer) on education . This is in the policy and is the whole point of the policy:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-on-education-and-vocational-training-notice-70130

Private schools do indeed pay VAT and always have. Is that what is confusing you?

You're muddying the waters again. The vat is on the fees. Where it wasn't before. The school pays the vat. Not the parents. The school may increase the fees to cover the vat. The money goes to hmrc from the school

7% of families with school age children is almost 2 million people.
At what percentage of families or groups should we begin to care ? 10%?

VAT on private education? I would not care if it was 50%. Maybe if private education was the only option I may view it differently.

You didn’t answer. You started talking about Labour somehow having a an asylum system just for men and women being among the recent asylum seeker deaths but have not said if you think family reunification should have continued.

It’s just yes or no.

Ah this is why you’re confused. No the school does not pay the VAT, it’s applied to the education provided and charged to the child (fee payer) The school only collects it.

Its on the HMRC website, please read it as I can’t keep helping you:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-on-education-and-vocational-training-notice-70130

A true Labour supporter.

The VAT is on the fees but it is up to the school how they wish to manage that (via a direct pass on or restructuring the fees charged or a combination of both. Like with any provider of goods and services.)