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To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

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Whatdoyouthinktothis · 03/05/2026 10:37

I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

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Perrygreen · 04/05/2026 14:55

"Running the country". Piss up. Brewery.

They'll put up stupid flags and leave them to go raggy and manky. Then they'll realise they have no idea how to work in parliament or their local council.

cardibach · 04/05/2026 14:56

IRodeIn · 04/05/2026 14:47

I guess technically a net tax loss can ‘contribute’ to a 1.7 billion increase in state school funding. https://www.scis.org.uk/assets/Economic-Impact-of-SCIS-Schools-in-Scotland-2024-25.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com

This argument always ends the same way, we all
know why some people support taxing children’s education. Why the flimsy excuses that make no sense? I just don’t know why people don’t have the guts to say why they support it, I for one would have more respect for Labour supporters if they were more honest. It’s just annoying when they pretend it’s for new teachers or whatever

I don’t care whether private schools are taxed. They are businesses and I know exactly how business focussed finances and spending are in them as I’ve worked in a couple. But it’s irrelevant to me. And to the vast majority of people who have never considered, and could never consider, a private education for their children.

cardibach · 04/05/2026 14:57

Uhdf · 04/05/2026 14:49

Yes.

A lot of them certainly do.

No. Hardly any of them do. It’s a tragedy when it happens, as it is when anyone is the victim of crime. But it’s not all, or even lots, of asylum seekers.

Hallowedturf · 04/05/2026 14:59

cardibach · 04/05/2026 14:14

Well, I based that on your defending the policies. Why would you do that if you disagree?

Are you seriously suggesting that you support every one of your party’s policies?

EasternStandard · 04/05/2026 15:01

cardibach · 04/05/2026 14:57

No. Hardly any of them do. It’s a tragedy when it happens, as it is when anyone is the victim of crime. But it’s not all, or even lots, of asylum seekers.

It’s a tragedy women shouldn’t have to endure.

Uhdf · 04/05/2026 15:01

Unfortunately we don't readily record crime by race/background/origin.

The Nordic nations do and the evidence is clear.

This is the only thing I agree about with reform. I don't think ILR should be cancelled. I don't think their economic policies stack up. Labours not been perfect but I think they are trying their best. I think the Tories did what they thought was good but they went by ideology and not by what the evidence showed.

I would have preferred a Gordon Brown win in 2010.

IRodeIn · 04/05/2026 15:01

TopPocketFind · 04/05/2026 14:50

It was in Labour's manifesto and was hugely supported.

Children's education is not taxed, state schools are accessible for free

Why not admit you don't like it for personal reasons? Be honest about it.

Children’s education is now taxed since January 2024, this is a fact and not up for discussion. The details are available from HMRC at https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-on-education-and-vocational-training-notice-70130

Of course it’s for personal reasons, I have children and want as many education options as possible for them. I don’t want the U.K. falling behind in education by being the only country in Europe to tax children’s education. I don’t want 150 year old schools to close and be turned into flats. I don’t want my tax money being used to state educate children that otherwise would have been paid for by their parents. I don’t want businesses choosing other locations to base themselves in because of the lack of education options for their staff. I don’t want one size fits all for children’s education, I don’t want the end of burseries and scholarships. I don’t want children being forced to move schools. I don’t want people to lose their jobs. I don’t want the reduction of specialist schools in drama, music, sports and dance.

Education and vocational training (VAT Notice 701/30)

Find out how VAT applies to education, research, vocational training, examination services and goods and services connected with these activities.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-on-education-and-vocational-training-notice-70130

TopPocketFind · 04/05/2026 15:02

Its quite something to say 'I don't support Reform' and then defend their racist policies.

cardibach · 04/05/2026 15:02

Hallowedturf · 04/05/2026 14:59

Are you seriously suggesting that you support every one of your party’s policies?

No. I was responding to you saying I’d assumed you supported reform or their immigration policies. Since immigration was the topic of the discussion I thought it was pretty obvious that was the bit I was answering about.
Though I don’t support any of Reform’s policies (not that most are policies so much as wish statements and soundbites) so it’s certainly possible to have a global response.

cardibach · 04/05/2026 15:03

EasternStandard · 04/05/2026 15:01

It’s a tragedy women shouldn’t have to endure.

Obviously. But we are still at greater risk from men we know and/or live with.

TopPocketFind · 04/05/2026 15:04

Most European countries don't even have private schools. The UK would be better to invest in state education and close the gap with private schools.

Leaving the EU opened up the chance to put VAT on private schools.

Uhdf · 04/05/2026 15:05

cardibach · 04/05/2026 14:57

No. Hardly any of them do. It’s a tragedy when it happens, as it is when anyone is the victim of crime. But it’s not all, or even lots, of asylum seekers.

If I gave you a box of chocolates. And only some were laced with a deadly poison, how many would you eat?

I remember what happened in Cologne in Germany.

EasternStandard · 04/05/2026 15:05

cardibach · 04/05/2026 15:03

Obviously. But we are still at greater risk from men we know and/or live with.

Making excuses and saying oh well when those tragedies occur isn’t right for women and girls.

randomchap · 04/05/2026 15:05

IRodeIn · 04/05/2026 15:01

Children’s education is now taxed since January 2024, this is a fact and not up for discussion. The details are available from HMRC at https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-on-education-and-vocational-training-notice-70130

Of course it’s for personal reasons, I have children and want as many education options as possible for them. I don’t want the U.K. falling behind in education by being the only country in Europe to tax children’s education. I don’t want 150 year old schools to close and be turned into flats. I don’t want my tax money being used to state educate children that otherwise would have been paid for by their parents. I don’t want businesses choosing other locations to base themselves in because of the lack of education options for their staff. I don’t want one size fits all for children’s education, I don’t want the end of burseries and scholarships. I don’t want children being forced to move schools. I don’t want people to lose their jobs. I don’t want the reduction of specialist schools in drama, music, sports and dance.

Edited

Not a tax on children's education. A tax on private education.

You're on a discussion site, anything can be up for discussion, especially misleading, inaccurate statements.

Uhdf · 04/05/2026 15:05

TopPocketFind · 04/05/2026 15:04

Most European countries don't even have private schools. The UK would be better to invest in state education and close the gap with private schools.

Leaving the EU opened up the chance to put VAT on private schools.

Leaving the UK also allowed us to remove the VAT on tampons and energy efficiency installations as well I guess.

EasternStandard · 04/05/2026 15:07

TopPocketFind · 04/05/2026 15:04

Most European countries don't even have private schools. The UK would be better to invest in state education and close the gap with private schools.

Leaving the EU opened up the chance to put VAT on private schools.

VAT policy won’t do that. I think people will realise they were conned by Labour on this and other stuff and vote accordingly.

cardibach · 04/05/2026 15:08

Uhdf · 04/05/2026 15:05

If I gave you a box of chocolates. And only some were laced with a deadly poison, how many would you eat?

I remember what happened in Cologne in Germany.

That argument doesn’t really work. Measures which protect me from other men also protect me from men who happen to be seeking asylum. They don’t always work for either sort. So if your box of chocolates becomes men in general n the poison is still there. It’s not a specific asylum seeker poison. A country can’t, indeed shouldn’t, stigmatise and refuse to help a vulnerable group because a tiny number of them might be dangerous.

Uhdf · 04/05/2026 15:08

EasternStandard · 04/05/2026 15:05

Making excuses and saying oh well when those tragedies occur isn’t right for women and girls.

I feel sick hearing about what happens.

Even if we are at risk for men already here. No need to import more men from countries where they have a worse view on women.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/iranian-asylum-seeker-raped-girl-detained-5HjdYY7_2/

TopPocketFind · 04/05/2026 15:09

Uhdf · 04/05/2026 15:05

If I gave you a box of chocolates. And only some were laced with a deadly poison, how many would you eat?

I remember what happened in Cologne in Germany.

Do you remember what happened in Southport and Epsom when an asylum seekers was falsely blamed?

Did that make you feel safe as a woman?

Banning refugees from claiming asylum will not stop crimes and people will just find other scapegoats.

Hoanna · 04/05/2026 15:09

CitizenZ · 03/05/2026 10:57

We live in a country where our media is only interested in letting us know what crimes immigrants and POC are committing, and casually keeping quiet about the majority of crimes being committed by home grown white folk. And the fools buy into their agenda.

living in a country whose media does absolutely the very opposite.

cardibach · 04/05/2026 15:10

EasternStandard · 04/05/2026 15:05

Making excuses and saying oh well when those tragedies occur isn’t right for women and girls.

I’m not doing that. I’m saying men are the issue. It’s wrong to deny help to vulnerable people because a tiny number of them are dangerous. It seems to me you are using crimes against women and girls to support a position you would hold anyway. It’s a bit cynical.

EasternStandard · 04/05/2026 15:10

Uhdf · 04/05/2026 15:08

I feel sick hearing about what happens.

Even if we are at risk for men already here. No need to import more men from countries where they have a worse view on women.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/iranian-asylum-seeker-raped-girl-detained-5HjdYY7_2/

I can’t stand the excuses. It’s so depressing. Women and girls dismissed always. That includes those here and those trying on boats and getting crushed.

Hoanna · 04/05/2026 15:10

as long they keep my EU permanently settled status as it is, they are welcome , thank you very much

IRodeIn · 04/05/2026 15:11

cardibach · 04/05/2026 14:56

I don’t care whether private schools are taxed. They are businesses and I know exactly how business focussed finances and spending are in them as I’ve worked in a couple. But it’s irrelevant to me. And to the vast majority of people who have never considered, and could never consider, a private education for their children.

Edited

Apart from losing the business rate relief, private schools are taxed exactly the way they always were, they’ve always paid VAT and always paid tax on any profits if they are ran for profit.

Now we are taxing children on their education. Children’s education is not irrelevant to anyone.

cardibach · 04/05/2026 15:11

Uhdf · 04/05/2026 15:05

Leaving the UK also allowed us to remove the VAT on tampons and energy efficiency installations as well I guess.

Not really. Sanitary products have been able to be zero rated in the EU since 2022. Don’t know about the energy efficient installations.

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