To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

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I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

It has always been a case that private schools close and new ones open.

There were more private schools in 2025 than there were in 2020

It sounds like you’ve realised the Greens proposal won’t work. We agree on that.

I also think it’s la la land to think a camp nearby is a good option due to that dream.

You know full well the connotations of ‘camp’.

It was erroneously used, and the PP apologised. That’s it.

Are you really saying that a majority of voters are too stupid to see through Reform promises? And actually want to have to pay for health care? That is seriously depressing.

It's not a tax on education. It's a tax on private education, not education in general. Just repeating the lie doesn't make it true

I feel pity for children who were put into a situation where their education depended on unreliable financial help. School fees have risen rapidly in recent years, so much that the VAT is irrelevant. I don't see being in the state system as a massive tragedy, it’s what 93% of children do. I don’t see being think the whole SEN situation needs an overhaul to better serve all chikdren with additional needs, whether their parents have spare income for school fees or not.

I do. But I think they are camps as described and calling them ‘centres’ is disingenuous. The PP’s apology simply meant she agrees Reform hadn’t used that word. They didn’t. I’m happy to accept that. I don’t think it changes the nature of their plans to use the term ‘centre’ instead though.

I didn’t say a camp was a good option. There are no good options once you’ve had to flee your home country. I do think an international agreement on resettlement would be an improvement though.
Edit: I haven’t ‘realised’ anything of the sort. I’m not a Green. I was simply talking about safe routes. I think those safe routes should be arrived at via international agreement.

Whilst I agreed that Reform use the word centres, these centres are the definition of concentration camps.

I understood any money was to go towardstraining additional teachers

Why did you understand that? is there a ring fenced fund or commitment ? Or did a politician just mention it ? If the policy is a net loss, which it seems to be, do we fire teachers?

. I don’t vote entirely on my own interests. I think about the country a bit.

I think people like to tell themselves that, not many people really want to admit that they just want to spite a group of children because their parents earn more than them. I could be wrong, maybe children’s education taxing will catch on all over the developed world, maybe the EU will remove the ban on it…. but I seriously doubt it.

Even the French camps are lawless and unsafe. The main thing stopping people is all the stuff put in place. People are absolutely not staying there due to a dream they can go home soon.

If the UK looked like a better option with the Greens style approach I wouldn’t blame them for a rational decision. Most would do the same.

I said ‘any’ money. So if there isn’t any, so be it. Not firing.
But then you go an about ‘spite’ so revealing your political viewpoint to be a little simplistic. I didn’t vote out of spite. I feel no spite. Lots of people earn more than I did (retired) because of the career I chose. I don’t really care. I didn’t even consider that part of the manifesto if I’m honest because it’s so insignificant to me (and well over 93% of families with children). I vote based on what is best for the country overall, because I think living in a more equal society benefits both top and bottom of the earnings pile.

Whether you are happy to accept it or not, is academic - it’s accurate.

If, however, you maintain that they are ‘camps’, then you must apply that to Labour too - to do otherwise would truly be ‘disingenuous’.

Most people stay in nearby countries. When they are asked, they talk about returning home. Yes, camps are grim. Which is why I think we need an international agreement and plan - you don’t seem keen to engage with that part of my posts though.

Unreliable financial help? the 20% tax on children’s education is irrelevant?

LOL. Ok.

It can’t come soon enough.
I truly hope Starmer spits his dummy out when his fellow MP’s attempt to oust him after the local elections and that he calls a general election.

Definition.
A concentration camp is a prison or other facility used for the internment of political prisoners or politically targeted demographics, such as members of national or ethnic minority groups, on the grounds of national security, or for exploitation or punishment.

Again, please withdraw or correct, thanks.

Well let’s see if a party does what the Greens propose, which isn’t this, and if your belief in low and managed demand holds up.

ive already said I’m not a fan of Labour’s recent treatment of asylum seekers. They are fundamentally different things though. Labour are housing people while they assess whether they can stay after arriving by unorthodox means (as I said, I’m not a fan of the way it’s done particularly). Reform’s would be rounding up immigrants they want rid of who already have leave to remain or even citizenship and holding them until they can get rid. Those people have houses, jobs, families, are contributing to society. It’s most unpleasant and I think you may want to reconsider your support with Martin Niemöller’s poem in mind.

I don’t think I’ve said much about a belief in low and managed demand. I said I thought crossings would potentially disappear if there was a safe way to achieve the same end. But what I’m really saying is we need a complete change in how the international community deals with displaced people. A planned, combined approach, because the numbers are only going to increase with climate change and political instability.

You have included an assumption that I support Reform (or their immigration policies).

You are describing a detention centre as proposed by Reform UK, why should I withdraw or correct?

Whereas the long-term impact of poverty on childhood as a result of the Conservatives austerity policies are far reaching and catastrophic for that generation born after 2013. According to a recent Oxford university study, "25 per cent of those born in the early 1990s, markedly declined to 13-14 percent for cohorts born after the post-1997 welfare reforms, and rose again to 23 per cent for children born following the 2013 austerity reforms

Whereas the long-term impact of poverty on childhood as a result of the Conservatives austerity policies are far reaching and catastrophic for that generation born after 2013. According to a recent Oxford university study, "25 per cent of those born in the early 1990s, markedly declined to 13-14 percent for cohorts born after the post-1997 welfare reforms, and rose again to 23 per cent for children born following the 2013 austerity reforms

That’s pretty much exactly what Reform are proposing as far as I can see. They’ve said they’ll withdraw Leave to Remain and deport. So the camps will be for people from a politically targeted demographic (ethnic minority groups). Expulsion of someone with right to live here seems pretty much a punishment to me.