To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

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I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

And yet Labour put out SM clips stating if you arrive by boat we will send you back.

Starmer FB and other platforms
“If you come here illegally on a small boat, you will face return.”

Obviously people arriving know better than listening to SM on the one in one out nonsense but still, if it’s rhetoric people are talking about Labour used it.

Sigh, please just read the policy again. You’ve now screenshot a list of what HMRC considers education providers that ‘are in business’ which includes universities, however university students are not paying the education and vocational tax. The tax is on educational and vocational services provided to children, paid by the children (fee payer) not private schools or any other organisation. You have the policy right in front of you. If you find this hard to believe that a government would do this, then maybe you’re starting to see why Labour is in so much trouble.

No, that makes no sense. People arriving still have to claim asylum. It’s not a free entry ticket.

Retention is crap because schools are pretty unpleasant places to work. Massive reform of teacher workload and terms and conditions is needed. Yes, that needs to be addressed. But training more is a good start, don't you think? More likely to increase teacher numbers than training fewer?

Nearly a fifth of independent schools cut spending on bursaries and scholarships in the run-up to Labour confirming a VAT rise on fees, Parent Power analysis reveals (Dec 25).

Consequences.

And as I have stated many times, I think Labour is wrong to do so and disagree with their immigration policies.

Still Reform's rhetoric is worse. Just see Yusuf's post.

This was in the Labour party manifesto, they won a landslide victory, all these people that voted for them knew that was policy and went ahead and voted for them, it wasn't trickery, it appealed to your average Labour voter.

What do you think is the meaningful dofference between the word camp and the word centre in this case? Why so pedantic about the word? Is it that you are all in favour of detention but think calling it a camp makes it sound a bit fascist, so you would prefer exactly the same thing but called centre so you can pretend you aren’t approving something a bit fascist?

Yes and they will. Why wouldn’t they? Can you envisage how many people would like asylum here

Even if you said no to half you’ll have an issue with overwhelming demand.

How much Labour appeals to the average voter will be up for debate after Thursday. Vastly reduced in all likelihood.

The vast majority of refugees stay close to home and seek asylum nearby.

Any suggestions of an 'invasion' is far right rhetoric

I also think they will be in power next as well.
I used to vote green ,when it was the green party ,no idea who I will vote for at the next GE .
None of them speak for me

7% of school children attend independent schools (so well under 7% of families with school age children). Bursaries account for a percentage of them. Of that percentage, a small percentage now don't get financial help, or get less help. Fees have been rising rapidly for years, so anyone near the boundary for affordability would have been priced out soon anyway. It’s not a major issue for the vast majority of people

People risk their lives crossing and traffickers are subjected to continuous attempts to close them down (which mostly fail). Anyone who thinks the demand isn’t there isn’t being realistic.

Granted it’s easier for men than the poor Sudanese girl and woman, but look at the lengths people go to. That’s not a mark on their character. If I was in Sudan with a 16 year old dd I’d probably feel similar, most would.

We have no idea what the demand would be, but the vast majority of asylum seekers stay close to their home country. At the moment demand to come here is well below the levels for other Northern European countries.

Yes, I agree with that. But as you can see from
this thread, people really don’t understand even the basics of the policy, believed it would fund 6500 new teachers and not lead to school closures.
As I’ve explained, this is just one of Labour's policies that makes it impossible for some people to vote for them and in my case for example I will vote for whoever is most likely to remove them
from any influence on people’s lives.

Well someone will have to think about what it will be as people would need to be accommodated.

The Greens pledge removes most barriers so they’ll have to deal with the reality of how many.

Let’s not start with the game playing, please.

I am not going to bite.

I wouldn't use the word 'easier'

Women and girls are at a biogical disadvantage and more at risk during these dangerous journeys

And noone has denied the demand isn't there

It is a fact that the majority stay close to home and that there is no invasion risk.

No, I understood any money was to go towards training additional teachers. Any school that shuts because of it wasn’t going to last long anyway. Lots of private schools close all the time, and others open. That’s still happening.
You’re entitled to vote for whoever you like, of course, but I can’t imagine ever being so blinkered that I’d vote for a party which was clearly going to make life more difficult for a lot of people because another party did one little thing I didn’t like. I don’t vote entirely on my own interests. I think about the country a bit.

Taxing children’s education for the first time since it was formally introduced 400 years ago is a huge issue, but not to everyone I understand. Education just isn’t important to some people, but it has big implications and it really makes the U.K. look crazy by taxing it.

Isn’t being pedantic about the words ‘camp’ and ‘centre’ game playing?

That’s your terminology and you’ve said ‘no one has denied the demand isn’t there’ so you agree on that point. The demand is there.

Stay close to home is another way to say at risk in an incredibly dangerous camp. I’d move on from that too if possible.

From personal experience, I know a number of very well-deserving children who lost bursaries, in direct consequence of Labour’s imposition of VAT. Children who were compelled to return to the state system in the face of declining SEN budgets etc.

I feel nothing but pity for those children. Perhaps you don’t.

And yet most don't, because they hang on to the dream of going home.
It sounds like you think we need an international agreement on asylum to keep everyone safe. We can agree on that.