To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

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I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

Isn’t that what all the luvvies in America said about Trump - they’re still packing apparently!

It’s Labour because it’s their policy change. Women and girls will find it almost impossible to get asylum.

You think only ‘luvvies’ (whoever they are) disagree with what Trump is doing and would prefer not to live through it? You think he’s doing a good job that would make people want to live there?

And the answer is safe routes. Which is what I support. Do you?

Off shore processing I’d be happy with

Would you be ok with safe and legal routes for women and girls and then once they are granted asylum they can bring their male family member over?

Of course not - the fact is it isn’t easy to leave your country whoever you are for the sake of 4 years.

You can do this but you’d have to decide what to do about international law. As even if you bring in say 60k or 100k it doesn’t matter really the law will still allow people to arrive and claim asylum.

You can manage all routes if you stop applying that international law or deter. Basically what Aus do, no deaths at sea anymore but they have a humanitarian visa program. Hard to get people to vote for although I wonder how Polanski would deal with international law when he states he’d manage the process.

No I don’t think they will

its three years until the next GE, you have a new party that has in the past few months the taken on a number of past senior cabinet MP’s with big egos they won’t be happy trailing behind Farage for too long especially with him he does so little work

I think it’s most likely the party itself till be their down fall

and the Tories have increased their support in the past few months, this is good for British politics you want well established political parties in the HOP

Labour can lose votes to both Reform and the Greens but Polanski is doing a good job of showing himself to be a person with no integrity and i think moderate left wing voters who liked him will be questioning him more

I doubt it.

If you read the link you quoted, the tax is on the children’s education paid for by the child (or obviously fee payer). It’s a tax on education and vocational training services for children, as per the title of the tax. I do think it’s worth some basic understanding of these policies before defending them, they are incredibly harmful. I could never support a party that would implement such a policy and from a moral perspective we need these people away from power, so where does that leave me? Reform is the obvious answer as no one else looks likely to unseat Labour, hopefully a conservative/Reform coalition.

The Rwanda scheme didn't comply with international law

There is nothing suggesting that the Greens would break international law,

Australia uses detention camps.

Yes so I’m interested in how Polanski will have a managed system when people can arrive still and claim asylum.

He could arrange for 100k people (arbitrary figure as he won’t talk about that) and still have 40k arrive by boat.

Maybe the Greens policies are just as unrealistic as Reform's

Greens do seem humane, Reform are not.

Yep completely obvious

I don’t think what Labour is doing is more humane, given a Sudanese woman and girl being crushed at sea.

Aus has a leftish gov now but no one would vote for those deaths again.

I really hope so Birmingham has quite a few Independents openly using the Gaza ticket and encouraging other Muslims not to vote Green as they did the other month because 'if they're honest with themselves a man with a beard is not a woman'. These Independents are Conservative Muslims so it's a really scary time right now. I can't stand the Greens but really fear these people.

I have made it clear that I think small boat crossings are inhumane, people shouldn't die trying to seek refuge.

I haven't seen the Conservatives proposing anything more humane?

What Reform is proposing is inhumane and racist beyond the current situation.

Take the Greens proposal of a managed system, and yes if you had that you could change things around work etc, but as below the hurdle is people arriving outside that system as it’s still possible within international law.

People arriving by any means would have to be processed and the idea of a managed system would fall apart.

Then Labour have their version of increasing risk and denying asylum to women and children pretty much.

Aus won’t go back to deaths at sea but for the UK I can’t see how a managed system would work with international law, can you see how a managed system would work here?

Following your logic.

6,500 teachers over a 5 year (60 month) parliament = 108 teachers per month.
How’s the current run rate looking please?

Patently wrong.

Please retract or correct, thanks.

A managed system of legal and safe routes will work, it won't stop the boat crossings completely as people will always be desperate enough to try.

It will need international/European cooperation

Australia's system works for them but it is not transferable to Europe, otherwise countries would already have implemented their versions of it.

I do actually think we are mostly in agreement on how to treat refugees/asylum seekers.

That’s not how it works. You don’t get newly trained teachers every month. You get a batch once a year. Someone upthread said how many extra have qualified this Parliament.

A managed system would massively reduce unorthodox means as who would risk their life if there was an alternative? Plus it gives you grounds to send those people away to try the proper route. Currently there are no proper routes for the vast, vast majority.

It’s not paying for anything, quite the opposite. The definitive results are in from Scotland and it’s a net tax loss, https://www.scis.org.uk/assets/Economic-Impact-of-SCIS-Schools-in-Scotland-2024-25.pdf

Is anyone really surprised? 6500 teachers, did people genuinely believe that?