To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

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I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

I think you’re dreaming if you think the Tories will be anywhere close to electable by 2029. There will be tactical voting on steroids in that election.

With the criteria you are alluding to - Labour. I only know one person voting for Reform and they are very old fashioned in their outlook, about women etc.

I'll caveat that with I know them in work context not a friend or family.

Last night I got chatting to a guy, who started telling me Reform are the only hope.

This man was from Dubai, spoke perfect but accented English, had lived here for 25 years and was bemoaning the country being ‘overrun with people arriving on boats’.

I explained how Brexit and therefore Farrage had impacted the migrant situation, and that although I didn’t view it this way that many people thinking of voting Reform would view him and his family as economic migrants which under Reform wouldn’t be any different to how someone arriving on a boat would be viewed.

He didn’t seem to get it, turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind, we’re doomed.

Labour introduced a children’s education tax, what person who values education that you know would ever vote for a party that did that ?

The person who values education highly enough to think you shouldn’t be able to buy it. Next?

How are potential Reform voters feeling about Reform's newest policy on building immigrant detention camps?

They didn’t now did they. They’ve also increased breakfast clubs, so more kids can concentrate at school - do you not like this idea for the plebs?

Why would they need them? I thought they were going to deport them all on day one? 🤔

Wrong person to answer here - but this is vile and worrying.

There are also some voters (and some Reform MPs) who seem to be oblivious that a fair section of Reform voters would also put them in there. Then there’s the next set that would be heading for a poor house camp, if Reform leaders could do that - oblivious again.

This isn’t just a ‘least bad’ option to me, I see it as genuinely dangerous.

In local elections, I would encourage people to think about voting tactically to prevent Reform from gaining ground.

In my view, whichever candidate is most likely to beat them is the better option.

Locally, the Conservatives haven’t done a bad job, though my personal preference would usually be Labour, Green, or Lib Dem. In this election, I’ll be voting Green as a tactical choice to help keep Reform out.

If you’re undecided, it’s worth looking at areas where Reform already hold power and listening to residents there. Clacton isn’t far from me, and the feedback from locals has been very negative. No promises kept, except something to do with slot machines - again appealing to the poorer members of society and probably a back handed from the gambling companies he works for.

I do think some of the appeal of Nigel comes from strong, simple messaging, it can sound convincing, and people understandably want to believe it. But it’s important to look at track records not just the soundbites.

Trump did this in U.S. he is on video (before AI) saying that if he was to ever run for president, he would pick the republicans because they’re stupid. He also said separately ‘smart people don’t like me’ if you don’t believe me, google it.

Nigel is playing from the same handbook. He knows how to tap into people’s fears and prays on the weaker and vulnerable in society and uses them for his own agenda. look how much money he is making off this.

But as you are referring to the Private school tax, I suppose you have to think in a less polarised way than that as no political party is going to tick all the boxes for me, there is no exact alignment with my values and a political parties principles, policies so that policy has to be looked at in the bigger picture which is making opportunities fairer for all.

More probably bought into the VAT stuff pre GE but going by loss of votes most can see it and other policies do little or a negative after all.

Exactly, just spiteful impractical policies. Most people aren’t motivated by making life harder for others, especially children, they just want things to get better. I think that’s the core of why Labour are so unpopular, they’re about pulling people down.

I support it 100%. We simply can’t have undocumented males from 3rd world countries wandering the streets. It won’t be needed for long anyway, once people realise that coming here illegally simply gets you detained and deported they’ll stop coming.

What is the the private school tax? The business rates increase?

Im talking about the children’s education and vocational training tax. Nobody who values education would condone what they’ve done,

Argument in semantics isn't the kind of discourse that helps anyone.

If not needed then why introduce this policy of building detention camps?

You don’t spend tens of millions on something you don’t need for long, surely?

Because they will be needed for a while - until the message gets across.

Can you provide more information? The only details I can find about a tax increase connected to education is vat being implemented for private schools.

www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-on-education-and-vocational-training-notice-70130

The Labour party has Socialist roots, why do you think it would be motivated by spite, surely you can comphrend that it wholly comes from a place of wanting a more equal society. They won by a huge majority, people weren't forced to vote for them are you really suggesting that all those who voted for Labour were motivated by spite for children?

And once build, they stay.

Any idea how much this gimmick will cost the tax payer?

Comprehend not 👆

If the local elections go as predicted then they’re out of touch and people have probably realised the folly of policies such as the VAT one. And other stuff.