To start to think reform will be voted in next time, and they will be running the country

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I’ve been a life long labour voter, but I’m starting to think reform will be elected next time
mainly just due to so many criminals that want to harm us being allowed in and allowed to stay
and uncontrolled immigration

I think they are going to win it on this reason alone
every single day there’s a news story usually more than one someone’s been raped by one of these criminals one the other day even said he didn’t understand what rape is and he thought rape was just sex

what do you all think ?
Will reform be running the country soon ?
if they are are the capable of running things in other areas ?
if they take over how do you see that actually panning out ?

It would be a further disaster . Brexit. Kent being mismanaged. Turkeys voting for Xmas ….https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXwtU3QAu0m/?igsh=MWUzeHRmZHhscmZldQ==

Out of all this you don’t mention accommodation in barracks. That’s where people are going instead.

You should have asked chat GPT to remove the line about small boats crossing being up 13%. If the main goal is to reduce that figure , then all the other ‘achievements’ have actually increased it and would be considered failures rather than achievements.

I am correct and we both know it. There’s no way you have lived in another country and speak more than basic English.

Can you explain to me why inner London has been Labour stronghold in most boroughs for the last 25 years..

I doubt you can, so I’ll tell you why, because London has a younger and more diverse demographic (the future) and a large share of those Londoners (in the most expensive boroughs to live) work in professional, managerial, academic, and creative sector - finance in the City, tech, law, media, universities etc . Higher education levels correlate more with Labour, Lib Dem and Green support than with Conservative or Reform support who we know is the party for the uneducated.

I strongly believe that if Labour had come out with those policies (minus the boats), the left would be out in full force supporting them. 🤣 is that you Farage?

All those policies are populist soundbites - populist to the narrative Reform curate.

There’s no substance there. No costings, no routemap. They are crafted to meet the immediate thoughts of their followers, who believe everything they are told to, without question or challenge.

Those now under Reform councils are seeing the fruits of their decision (to be accurate they’re not seeing much at all). We’re all living with the gift that keeps on taking, Brexit. They refuse to admit it though. The finger HAS to keep pointing at immigration, because the second it doesn’t, people might start noticing who isn’t struggling to cope with the cost of living (can’t call it a crisis really, it’s been going on years now, and there’s not been a point when prices have plummeted - the opposite - they continue to climb.

Just imagine, for a second, if the UK took net zero seriously, before Trump started his illegal war with Iran, or before Israel set about erasing Gaza from the map. Think how things would be - we are an island, surrounded by free, untapped energy. Instead of fighting to maintain the grip of the uber wealthy fossil fuel overlords, we should be pulling together to escape them.

But no, the planet overheating, the gap between rich and poor, the ability for the wealthy to employ clever accountants to ensure they pay less tax than an ordinary person on PAYE, no. This can’t be the cause of our ills. It must be the swarms of foreigners racing to the UK to work in car washes, or care homes, or takeaway delivery. THAT’S the problem.

I’m still astonished that there’s no effort to fact check, or do maths.

Immigrants in uk prisons - estimated at 11.9% of the prison population in the UK. Estimated because no accurate records are kept across the board.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/migrant-convictions-and-prison-population/

Foreign nationals convicted of a crime awarded a prison sentence of 12 months or more

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/foreign-national-offenders-in-uk-prisons-powers-to-deport/

% of people in receipt of benefits in the UK

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/universal-credit-statistics-29-april-2013-to-12-june-2025/universal-credit-statistics-29-april-2013-to-12-june-2025

A snippet from that last one - 58% of people claiming universal credit are female. Reform intend to decimate the welfare state. How’s that protecting women? Or their wish to reduce maternity benefits? Or the current access to NHS services? £75 for a GP appointment, or £71k for a double heart bypass?

Try googling how much Farage has made since becoming an MP from sources unrelated to his avowed profession. He’s not even holding surgeries in Clacton.

Be curious, be exacting, be challenging - these people are paid a lot of money to run the country, isn’t it right we should demand truth and policies that work for the ordinary Joe, not greasing the rails for wealthy people to accumulate more wealth they can never spend.

I said better. I didn’t say more popular. Thise are not the same thing.

They aren’t policies, they are slogans.
Most of them are actually unpleasant, so you would be wrong about support from the left for these slogans.

There is a reason why he isn’t popular though isn’t there. And that reason, for many, is because he’s a shit PM! As I have said earlier, he has upset a lot of people one way or another, people aren’t going to forget this and Labour will get absolutely trounced at the local elections on Thursday as a result of this.

I haven’t told you my world view. I’ve simply commented on yours. Have a look at the things you support. See whether centrist parties or right wing ones support them. You aren’t centrist.

No, it’s because the media have told everyone he’s shit. He really isn’t. 2/3rds of the manifesto delivered. Respect on the world stage again, finally.

I’m pretty sure the media ‘bigged him up’ in the beginning. He is shit, he can’t even answer a simple question when asked and all he does is deflect them and talk about the tories or reform. No matter what question he’s asked, he answers it with something completely unrelated and blames everyone else for his own mistakes. Blocked Andy Burnham from running as an MP because he saw him as a threat. Thrown Ollie Robbins under the bus to save his own skin! Then denied his own party a vote into an enquiry of the Mandleson scandal. Who does that?

I think it’ll be a Tory government in coalition with a Reform minority.

This is what will lose Labour many votes.

Damn right. Personally I could not vote for a party where members voted against an enquiry about the appointment of the mate of a paedophile who was also a concern to our national security and had previously been sacked twice.

I could not vote for a party with a PM who throws other people under the bus to save his own job, despite knowing he is covering up some pretty dire shit.

I could also not vote for a party where the PM refuses to answer any questions and instead deflects them, passes the blame to someone else and answers with something completely irrelevant to what was asked.

Neither could I vote for a party who has done the dirty on its voters.

Yes I also think this.

Yes: someone who recognises lovely simple minded folk and there is nothing wrong with those folk at all, for the most part..

However, they are very useful idiots for those who want to tell them that they are intelligent and well meaning. They like to be told this. They like to think they are on the side of the angels when in reality, they are neither.

However, in herds, they will spout whatever they are told in order to appear intelligent and congratulate each other that they are.

That's when they become dangerous simple minded folk.

It's a great shame but let me repeat @TopPocketFind, the government or its agents saying that there are less people coming in by small boats may mean as little as one less.

Don't think that because they say the number is going down, that it is going down by multitudes.

It could have gone down by one and they would still be justified in saying the number has gone down because it has...even if it is just down by one.

They want simpleminded folk to infer that it has gone down by masses but that may not be the case.

It used to be called a Jesuitical lie or even speaking with Forked Tongue.

Anyway, I have tried to explain as best as I can, although I fear my words will fall on barren ground so good night and sleep well.

What a peculiar thing to say.
I’ve lived in Canada (Quebec), Italy and South Korea teaching English in my younger years, but you’re free to make whatever assumptions you wish. I have a postgrad degree, and have always voted Conservative.

London has always been a Labour stronghold, which isn’t remotely a surprise once you factor in culture and demographics.

It is one of the most multicultural places in Europe - large communities whose families came from countries where collective welfare, public services, and pro-immigration policies are quite obviously going to be important to them. Labour positions itself stronger on those issues than Conservatives (or God forbid, Reform), so it’s going to resonate.

Then there’s age - London has a younger population than much of the UK. Younger voters, especially in big cities, tend to lean left (see Nottingham, Leeds and Manchester for example).

Economically, London is incredibly split. It’s extremely wealthy overall, but that wealth is unevenly distributed. You can walk ten minutes and go from luxury penthouses to food banks. Visible inequality pushes voters toward parties that promise redistribution or stronger public services.

Big cities have always leaned more socially liberal, and that’s true globally, not just in the UK, so it’s a no-brainer that voters are going to do what they can to preserve the diversity and multiculturalism they clearly want to be part of.

I think if you want to be angry at anyone, be angry at the previous administrations who left so many people feeling like second class citizens in their home country. Those people have been getting louder and louder with their concerns over the years, and very evidently feel they have been unheard and overlooked.

It’s the desperation of feeling that nothing is being done that is seeing people inevitably turn to a party that is promising the change they’ve been seeking, delivered with a firmer hand.

From your earlier responses, I thought you supported Reform, and now it’s “god forbid Reform” so which is it?

I understand why certain people still vote Conservative some friends and family of mine have, but I wouldn’t support them as things stand.

My comments are far from peculiar, I haven’t come across many well-educated, well-travelled people who back Reform (actually, none so far) those experiences tend to change how you see these issues!

And yes, I’m angry - we all should be. The media’s ability to shape narratives, often backed by money from questionable sources, is a big concern. Add a group of uneducated people to the mix who lack critical thinking skills and you’re heading for trouble. It’s no surprise that the far right are on the rise again despite the evidence showing that immigration in this country works and is a success.

We also saw how misleading claims played out with Brexit backed by Farage, who fucked off to France as soon as it was over, and take a look at Trumps America, if you need a reminder of what can happen when self-serving leadership takes hold.

It’s just the least worse option. Who would you, as a well travelled and educated person, have people vote for who has a chance of being in Government?

These elections are local - none of these big policies are relevant for the next 3 years.
I do want to keep Reform as low as possible on the local elections- I leaflet to this end. However, I also agree that councils are currently struggling so much that no majority party will manage them well. I do believe Reform make more of a hash than others based on what I see where my kids live, and what I read elsewhere. I’m actually not sure if this would stop folk in the GE though as Farage will probably say they’d have been amazingly run with the right government.

Farage has a hard job to maintain his populist momentum over 3 years - he’s probably praying for a big crime made by a brown person early 2029 I suppose.

I don’t understand, ‘no choice but Reform’ voters who say they are left leaning or centrist or previously voted labour.

If you were always right leaning, Tory etc then ok I can get that but left leaning/labour - no.

I’m ’left leaning’ and have voted Labour, not every time I do float a bit. For me though:

1/ I like the employment rights bill, the renters reform act etc - any right wing party would seek to reduce those protections.
2/ I dislike the immigration rhetoric, I really dislike proposed changes to ILR - I’m not going to get nearer to what I support by voting Reform am I though!
3/ I don’t think Starmer is great at the politics of it tbh - though Truss wrecked my mortgage and Johnson partied whilst my family died alone so there’s that comparison.
4/ I think mandelson was a big mistake - I also think Johnson partying with the KGB was, but more to the point I think Farage friends/backers, including his beloved Trump, show he’s not going to have just lovely, nice and super clean people on power - he’s a terrible grifter himself anyway.
5/ Surpasses everything- we are not in the Iran war - we are not in the Iran war - we know both Kemi and Farage would have us in from the get go as if US under Trump says jump they ask how high. This is not something I ever want.

With all that - if I feel Labour are failing that does not negate my like of RRA or dislike of losing ILR - it just doesn’t.

So why would I jump straight to the complete opposite of my views - it makes no sense - I’d be looking Lib Dem personally but Green would be the next one I’d look at - there’s then the difficult for me decision not to vote too - but why screw up all previous reasons you voted leftish, beyond individuals and beyond party policies, and think oh those right principles are for me today as Starmer made a U turn. Baffling.

Yep

I don’t understand, ‘no choice but Reform’ voters who say they are left leaning or centrist or previously voted labour.

I don’t believe them.

I still think conservatives will get in next time. Reform will do very well at local elections but by the time the GE comes around the conservatives will be back up to strength.

My vote will go either Reform or conservatives depending on who is most likely to get in.