Violent rapist allowed to stay in UK to rape again

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Is there already a thread on this case? I will ask for this one to be removed if so. I am just angry that this horrible man’s feelings were put before the fact that he had a fetish about violent rape.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ye594p0z0o
It is quite wrong that the judge ordered he should be allowed to stay in the UK when it was clear to the Home Office that he would rape again.
Sorry, I have tried to insert a question about there being an inquiry into the decision of the judge to let him stay to rape women again but my phone won’t let me.

I can't agree with this at all. It's bad enough that we have to deal with our own home grown rapists/violent offenders against women. Why should we have to deal with the same sort of men from other countries?

I still think about that poor girl who wrote an essay as part of her GCSEs arguing the same, that it was discriminatory to stop foreign criminals coming to this country because we also had our own. She went on to be murdered, by a Latvian man who was suspected of murdering his wife back home and waltzed into Britain on FOM to do the same here.

It absolutely is a failure of immigration control that we don't know who we are letting in. We should have a robust system in place from the get go and if any do happen to fall through the cracks, it should be a one strike and you're gone with no possible route of return.

Serious flaws in the way we deal with dangerous violent men in the CJS shouldn't absolve the policy makers of any culpability with regard to very, very lax immigration controls. The two things can both be true at the same time.

As he had his formative years growing up in the UK

He was aged 11 when he moved here - formative years are typically defined as birth to age 8.

That's completely wrong - the ONLY reason that we could deprive her of citizenship was that she would NOT be made stateless, because she had the option of taking up Bangladeshi citizenship by descent to which she was automatically entitled until the age of 21 or 24, I can't recall which.

She chose not to take that up and is now stateless. The reason we have allowed back other adult male ISIS fighters deported from Syria is that they were over the age to take up that citizenship and therefore could be entitled to no other citizenship but British.

So yes, it's directly comparable. Person with Nationality A is in Country B and commits a crime. Country A strips them of citizenship and they can't be deported to Country A despite having (originally) had nationality of that country. If Nigeria were to strip Oladele of citizenship (or question whether he really is a citizen - people are not always truthful about their nationality) then he couldn't be deported there. I don't know what their laws on deprivation of citizenship are though.

I disagree with your point on why he did not apply for UK citizenship.

I am only and only see myself as British yet still have other passports. I was just fussed enough to do the paperwork. Others never give it a second thought.

This is factually inaccurate. She did not have another citizenship and was made stateless.
Having the ability to another citizenship is not holding that citizenship. Having a claim to another citizenship is not holding that citizenship. You cannot enforce residency rights on a “claim”.

That is not comparable to this case where he actually holds Nigerian citizenship. He IS a citizen of Nigeria.

The two are not comparable.

100% agree with this.

criminals should be deported and I don’t care about their “human rights” or their family’s rights.

it might be an incentive not to commit crime.

No, he couldn't have applied for British citizenship at any time. He entered legally (sounds like under the EEA Regs) and was resident lawfully 2014-18, then seems not to have renewed for a couple of years, then another residence card (so pre-settled status). To apply for citizenship you have to have lived for a continuous lawful period of five years in the UK, with at least one year of indefinite leave to remain / settled status, and he'd not had ILR at all.

You can't just apply for citizenship at any point you fancy it like applying for work experience.

It's not acceptable for anyone to be raped, but I don't see why we should pay for him to be imprisoned. His home country can do that. Our first duty is to our own citizens' security.

There are lots of children who grow up in the UK who have the right to be here but don't get citizenship, and I've never known anyone to have made the choice because 'their heart isn't here'. It's usually not being able to afford the solicitor or not having access to the documents you need, or assuming that having the right to be here, work here and access medical care here (eg indefinite leave) is enough, without seeing any need to apply for citizenship on top.

Oh I see what you mean, I thought you were saying she could be deprived of citizenship but had no right to any other nationality, whereas it was her entitlement to another nationality that made it legally feasible to deprive.

Contrast the (adult male) ISIS fighters who have had to come back to the UK because they were too old to be entitled to take up theoretical alternative Bangladeshi citizenship.

Yes I wish people would not argue women just have to have these men here.

What “home country”? That’s why people are saying it’s murky.

The only passport he holds is for a country he has never lived (or it appears been).

The only countries he has lived in (Italy and the UK - so his “home” countries) he has no citizenship in.

There is also a measure of racism that foreign countries such as Nigeria do not have a legal system that can cope with a returned violent rapist and so he should be left in the UK for us to deal with.

What a weird take on what people are saying. If he was deported he would have done his time in the UK so there would not be a case for their legal system to deal with.

People are pointing out it is not straight forward case as he was raised here. The law should be applied to everyone no matter how distasteful we find them.

Personally I think that rape should have much more severe sentencing. Also it looks like he was convicted of a sexually motivated crime previously. These type of crimes - groping, up skirting , harassment- they need to carry much more severe sentencing. People get longer for stealing property, it’s disgraceful.

I completely agree with @Lemonthyme

She certainly had a claim to it but even having a claim I don’t believe makes it automatic. But yes my point was the two are not comparable because this man is actually a citizen of Nigeria so no de facto statelessness concerns.

I still think him never having been there makes it murky.

(And it’s tiring to see people here insisting those who can see the murkiness are “pro-rapists” or even “racist against Nigerians”.)

Judges don’t overrule the law, they decide whether the law has been correctly applied. That’s literally their job.

In the case of a tribunal they make a ruling on whether the law has or has not been applied correctly. In this case the tribunal judge ruled that the Home Office had not followed its own rules correctly and that the deportee should be permitted to remain.

Obviously the Home Office did not exactly help its case by failing to show up to the hearing.

Deportations are to a country of citizenship (or a safe third country). “Home country” doesn’t really mean anything in law.

I am not the one who used the term “home country” to define where he holds citizenship.

How depressing that we now need to rely on other prisoners to safeguard the public, when that duty should reside with the judiciary.

I hate the thought but it's true.

You know they won't serve 17 years though don't you?

https://www.northwales.police.uk/news/north-wales/news/news/2026/april/man-jailed-for-17-years-for-raping-young-woman-in-wrexham/

according to this, his sentence is 25 years and he will be spending 17 years in prison.

The world is full of people who would hurt women, like this man. And there are elements in politics and the media who want to distract us all. Believe it or not, there's some great research back in 2018 about bots and trolls in Russia, not trying to push a certain viewpoint but to push discord. (But that's for another thread.)

And it's working. Our politics is becoming more polarised. More angry. People are making claims and counter claims. I fall into it sometimes too.

But I don't see anyone on here advocating that what this man did was anything but abhorrent. And yet I keep reading comments stating... "defending this man..." etc etc.

Nobody is defending that piece of crap. Nobody.

And who is all of this hate and vitriol helping? Not us. Not women. It's not making women (anywhere) any safer.

Politics aside, and I say this not having voted for Labour since 1997, one person I have a lot of time for in any discussion in VAWG is Jess Phillips. One of the few politicians who has gone into it with real purpose and with experience of working in refuges. Her yearly reading in parliament of the names of women who have lost their lives to men always brings me to tears.

She does this every year. On International Women's Day.

Look at who is there and listening. Is your MP? If not, I'd perhaps drop them a note. Because much as people are trying to weaponise this to make it about other topics, VAWG is going largely unpunished in the UK. Rape is virtually decriminalised men are so likely to get away with it.

That's worth getting angry about.

For PPs stating (his heavy jail sentence) and banging on about white British men raping; which is of course true but you are completely missing the point.
We should 100% deport as soon as a crime is committed it obviously escaped numerous posters on the amount of dangerous criminals released early to make more room in prisons.
We don’t have room in our prison for all the British men committing crimes never mind all the criminals for other countries and why the fuck should the UK tax payer have to pay to keep the scum locked up?

They don’t deserve a second chance once they commit a crime any crime DEPORT them. They have zero respect for the laws or country as a whole.

The systems in place deprioritise women and girls. 96% can feel that on this thread. It has nothing to do with bots.

You know I think we're violently agreeing.

But what you're missing is that it's only because this man isn't white that it's even being covered by the press. I have personal experience of it. It's only because he was an immigrant that it's "newsworthy".

Look at who is in the chamber when Jess is speaking? And who isn't there.

If the likes of Farage and Badenoch gave a shit about VAWG, where are they?

Kemi does. I’m happy with her approach so probably not agreeing.

All the systems and I include asylum policies prioritise men over women and girls. Both for those arriving and the citizens here.

For too long women have been told to be kind, don’t mention it, you’re bots etc.