Violent rapist allowed to stay in UK to rape again

[Trint]

Is there already a thread on this case? I will ask for this one to be removed if so. I am just angry that this horrible man’s feelings were put before the fact that he had a fetish about violent rape.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ye594p0z0o
It is quite wrong that the judge ordered he should be allowed to stay in the UK when it was clear to the Home Office that he would rape again.
Sorry, I have tried to insert a question about there being an inquiry into the decision of the judge to let him stay to rape women again but my phone won’t let me.

In one of my posts up thread I said that that, patronising posts telling women that they are wrong about wishing a Nigerian rapist had been deported before he raped again, backfires on whatever cause these posters espouse. They are the kind of posters who don't believe in democracy. Please note, 96% of the voters on this thread think he should have been deported. Yet we are endlessly put in our place. They are the kind of poster who proclaims in a lordly way that ordinary people should not be allowed to vote because we are too stupid ( ie do not agree with them).
He should have been deported. Leave it to the Nigerian government to sort out how to deal with one of their citizens. He came to the UK at 13. He is not our problem. I don't care if he was brought up in Italy. They won't want him either. He had years to apply for British citizenship. He chose not to do so. The same posters explain that he probably didn't think about it. Funnily enough he thought about it when he begged not to be deported because he wasn't familiar with Nigerian culture.
THe posters who think they should be in charge of the way the majority of us vote, do themselves no favours in endlessly telling us how wrong we are. This kind of attitude leads to protest votes. This is why Brexit happened because a lot of powerful politicians thought they knew best and refused to listen. As I said, I voted against Brexit and feel it has harmed our country. I don't want Reform in power. But the posters who think they are just a bit more intelligent than everyone else and continue to put their fingers in their ears. They choose to do this rather than listening and understanding, are in effect pushing the Reform vote.

But hey, @FernandoSor . Perhaps you feel you know better than us and the fact that in spite of his violent attack on a vulnerable woman, the fact that he didn't succeed in actual penetration during his first attack means he should be given the benefit of doubt. I wonder if his victims would agree with you?

@Trint I don’t think people are stupid. I do think there has been a failure of the education system. We’ve seen on his thread, people throw out stuff about asylum seekers, even though he is not an asylum seeker, talk about importing rapists, even though he arrived at 11, talk about how Italian laws of deportation are better , even though they are actually very similar. They seem to want some blanket law for deportation after any criminal activity while in reality this would be unworkable.

Clearly a lot of people unquestionably swallow the sound bites of the far right while having a lack of knowledge and understanding about how our legal system works.

here’s an example where literally pointing out a fact was immediately dismissed as the person was “righteous” and was defending this rapist.

I don’t know whether it is some type of strategy by this poster or if their comprehension skills are just non existent

Our legal system doesn't work, that's the point. It needs to be reformed from the ground up, with the wants and needs of ordinary law-abiding working British people at the forefront, and the "human rights" of criminals put on the back-burner.

Upthread, there was mention of the criminal not having applied for British citizenship.

I do agree that he should be deported. The fact that he knows little or nothing about Nigerian society is his problem.

However, I should add that it was many years before my dad could afford to apply for naturalisation though he did have Leave to Remain (or the equivalent in post-war days) provided he stuck to the rules.

I've seen similar with a pupil I taught a few years ago. The parent and step-parent are upstanding members of society, but the legal rigmarole of going through Indefinite Leave to Remain first and then naturalisation means that it's an extremely lengthy process. I've also seen this with a colleague who lived here for some years before finally completing the naturalisation process having first gone through the Indefinite Leave to Remain process - they initially obtained work in the UK as a native speaker of the European language they taught.

As I've said, I agree that the criminal should be deported. I'm just pointing out that obtaining British citizenship is often an extremely lengthy process.

@Gealach, I find your post patronising. You may not intend that to be the case but it is. A failure in the Education system where? Why are more stringent laws about criminals being deported unworkable? It sounds as if you put the well being of foreign criminals over the rights of women not to be violently assaulted. If our legal system is failing to protect women, it needs changing. It is our legal system. Gift Oladele is a Nigerian citizen. He forgot to apply for British citizenship so he should not be protected by the UK legal system. He should have been deported.
Another poster tried to argue his first violent attack did not qualify as a sex assault because she managed to fight him off before he achieved penetration. That attempt is enough. He should have been deported. As you suggest, the law isn't up to the job of protecting women so it needs to be changed. Gift Oladele clearly thought he would get away with violent assault again because the courts were so obliging to him the first time around. Someone argued up thread that UK law is not about revenge, but it is about being a deterrence. A clear signal should have been sent after his first attack. It clearly wasn't a deterrent because he did it again. The law needs changing if it favours violent foreign attackers over ordinary women. I am surprised that you are arguing for Gift Oladele and other men like him.

I agree with you on the pp claim it’s a ‘failure of the education system’. There are many excuses why the safety of women and girls can’t be focused on.

What does that even mean? It is just another meaningless soundbite. What rights are you on about - right to a fair trial? - freedom from torture? or even making out the the entire legal system is broken and has to be dismantled. When it is actually constantly evolving.

You could make suggestions for targeted law reform that could make women safer. That is something that could actually make a difference. What you are saying doesn’t make any sense and is not actionable.

@Trint oh I agree with you the non rape sexually motivated crimes need to be treated much more seriously by the law. In this case, it may have had the knock on effect of him being deported. But generally if these crimes were treated more seriously I think it would make women safer.

i’m not clear which law you are talking about that needs changing though. You seem keener on throwing out people than actually making women safer.

It’s the sweeping meaningless statements that I highlighted in my post that I think is an indication that the education system has failed.

It’s interesting that discussions about these kinds of cases rarely touch on ways of improving women’s safety generally. They only focus on the dangers posed by foreign-born men to British women. I agree that this man should have been deported, but I have doubts about the sincerity of people who are silent about violence against women and girls until the perpetrator is non-white.

I started this thread. It is not a general discussion on your personal opinions @Midnights68 . Start your own thread if you want to focus on improving women's safety. It would be a good topic. However, you are high jacking my thread which focuses on the case of Gift Oladele and his violent rapes of women.
@Gealach and you keep on about the education system failing. It has nothing to do with this case. It is deeply patronising. It is irritating when posters decide to try and alter the focus of the thread. I wonder how you coped with essay writing when you clearly like to change the topic for discussion. This is not about the UK education system but about a wicked man, Gift Oladele who should have been deported after his first violent sexual assault on a woman but was given a second chance to do it again.
It is not a thread about Literacy or the focus on phonics or whatever else some posters are introducing to try and deflect attention away from a horrific case. I really wonder if posters who deflect in this way have any compassion for victims.

Neither. I just don’t understand why posters like you are so keen with the “yeah but” and “anyone who doesn’t agree with me clearly has no comprehension skills….”
do you think it makes you sound better or more intelligent?

So far as education is concerned, schools already address consent, etc in PSE lessons in Scotland and I'm assuming that it's also addressed in other parts of the UK.

These lessons might have a positive effect on most boys, but they'll not affect the mindset of a determined sex offender. I've encountered those both in my own life and in my former teaching posts.

In 40 yrs of teaching and in 66 yrs of life any actual sex offender that I've encountered has been white British. I can think of one probable future sex offender who was not.

The problem I've found is that even when staff members flag up worrying patterns of behaviour, nothing is done about it - indeed, I was mocked when I reported very concerning behaviour on the part of a white Scottish teenager. He is now incarcerated.

Setting all that aside, I do believe that if an offender is not a British national then he should serve his sentence in this country and then be returned to his country of origin.

There are very few countries that would allow a British offender to avoid deportation after serving their sentence. Off the top of my head, I can think of at least one Scottish murderer who served his sentence in the U.S. and was subsequently deported to the United Kingdom.

I can't find the case that I was thinking of - it happened pre-internet. However, I've come across this case of a Scot who was deported from Canada after serving his sentence for murder:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12158590.deported-scots-born-killer-held-on-assault-charge/

Here's the chilling story of a family with 4 little boys who emigrated from Scotland to Canada, where the boys grew up to become the Canadian version of the Krays. 3 of them committed a horrific murder, and Canada sent them back to the UK as soon as they could. In the UK, there was no mechanism in place to keep tabs on them. I dread to think how much crime they must have committed in the years since their return.
Let me disappear, says 'psycho' from Canada | UK news | The Guardian

Not sure i agree with this. Violent, life impacting crime, yes. Doing 22 mph in a 20 zone, stealing a leaf of bread or not paying TV license, not so much.

It means what it says. The rights of criminals should start after all the rights of law-abiding people have been met. Which includes not to have to live around convicted rapists. Criminals should be dealt with in the most cost-effective way that prevents any future harm they might cause to law-abiders. Forget about their "rights", they forgo those when they chose to become a criminal.

You disagreed with a fact. the person is not an asylum seeker.

That’s why I am questioning your comprehension of what was said. I didn’t said “yeah but” anyway because I don’t know what you even think about the case. You had a rant about asylum seekers and then someone pointed out that he wasn’t actually an asylum seeker and asked what your point was. Then you inexplicably called them righteous. I was using your post as an example.

It's not about what colour their skin is.

It's about whether we are inviting people to live in this country who

• we should be able to background check before letting in

and

• whether they are from a culture who have a propensity to commit violence against women which is higher than the propensity of the men who were born here, who we have no choice but to have living among us.

It's about knowingly increasing the risk of assault for women in this country.

This person came from Italy at 11 years of age? How would a background check work in this case @Imdunfer

The vast majority of immigrants don’t rape women or pose a threat generally. Focusing on someone’s country of origin actually misses where most of the risk comes from. It’s not possible to have a measure that would define “the cultures that have a propensity to commit violence against women” How could you action that, decide what cultures you are targeting and use it in a migration system.

I think you there are a myriad of ways that we could reduce violence against women generally. Changes to policing, the education system, the legal system. If you are specifically concerned with just migrants, then the biggest predictor of crime is how well they integrate into the country they moved to….jobs, language. Not the country they moved from. Which again throws a question over your proposed culture plan.

this is getting worse by the day
criminals allowed to stay here that want to harm us
While is this country so bloody soft

@Gealach
This thread is not about women's safety. It is about Gift Oladele who is a Nigerian citizen and who carried out a violent sexual assault on a woman and was then excused deportation to Nigeria on the grounds that he was settled in the UK. We owe him nothing. He went on to violently rape again.
Start your own thread about how marvellous the vast majority of immigrants are in your opinion but this is my thread and it is focusing on the failure of the courts/law to deal effectively with a Nigerian rapist. He should have been deported but he was allowed to stay to rape and assault again. Every time you defend him on grounds of well most immigrants don't rape , you are deliberately trying to deflect attention on the focus of this thread. Stick to the issue or start your own thread.

@Trint

My apologies. You are completely right and I forgotten that this thread is not about how to increase the safety of women.

I was responding to a complaint of racism, not a comment about this one man.

The systems in place drastically deprioritise women and girls. Especially when including how policies impact who can enter.

They also prioritise men when in comes to citizens here.