Violent rapist allowed to stay in UK to rape again

[Trint]

Is there already a thread on this case? I will ask for this one to be removed if so. I am just angry that this horrible man’s feelings were put before the fact that he had a fetish about violent rape.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ye594p0z0o
It is quite wrong that the judge ordered he should be allowed to stay in the UK when it was clear to the Home Office that he would rape again.
Sorry, I have tried to insert a question about there being an inquiry into the decision of the judge to let him stay to rape women again but my phone won’t let me.

He was born to Nigerian parents in Italy and moved to the UK as a child. I haven't seen it reported what age that was, though it's been reported he went to school here.
His only link to Nigeria really is that his mum is Nigerian, and that's how he has Nigerian citizenship. The argument used in court for deportation was that Nigeria wouldn't feel foreign to him because he has been brought up in a Nigerian family. The judge who made the ruling said that in reality he had no more link to Nigeria than any other resident of Manchester, where he was living.

I've said up thread that I think if an adult makes an active decision to move to a country and then commits a crime there, they should be deported. I don't think this is the same though, however horrific his crimes. I don't think deporting to a country someone has never visited, let alone lived in, should be a thing. Deporting in my view should be returning someone, not sending them somewhere new.

She is seeing the world through the violent rapists eyes, instead of the eyes of the violently raped women. This attitude is why the UK is in peril. When women are concerned not for other women, but for the violent bastards who ruin women's lives forever.

Be ashamed if you give this man one iota of sympathy. Consider why you are concerned about him and not your fellow women and children. Have you been manipulated?

Start putting yourself first.

Wow.

As someone who has been the victim of rape by three different men I'm incredibly offended by your comment.

Wanting to apply the law and recognising that this case is incredibly complex and not as simple as being portrayed in some of the red tops is not the same as "seeing the world through the violent rapist's eyes". I can feel your anger. And I'm angry too. But being angry still doesn't mean this guy has any right, legally, to be deported to Nigeria. It all looks incredibly complicated on that front.

What isn't complicated to the same degree is the low conviction rates and low sentencing for men who commit violence against women and girls and the low bar that those men have to meet by the probation service to be released from prison. And they're all nationalities of men that commit VAWG. Not just immigrant men.

I have known people who’ve been through decades of therapy and it’s made no difference, so how the hell is a ‘rehabilitation’ course going to cure a violent rapist!!? The left are so f-ing insane that I just know there will be people defending him and calling those who want him deported ‘far-right’.

The judge and everyone involved in helping him stay should be forced to meet his victims and their loved ones. They should face up to the consequences of what they’ve done. I’m sick of the way the left pose as morally superior. Their smugness drives me mad. In my experience, they are every bit as callous and hate-filled as those on the far-right. They will angrily defend this man and his rights, but they won’t give a sh*t about his victims, just as they don’t care about the Jewish people who were stabbed.

I agree with this to an extent. I would not be opposed to him being removed now.

I do agree with the broader point that deportation should generally be to where somebody is from.

Sigh @Dappy777 .

When the Conservatives left power, they'd promised to increase prison places and failed to. In fact by the time they left office it was at over 99% capacity.

It's not a "left v right" thing. I do agree with you on your concerns on rehabilitation programmes. But as has been explained to me by the probation service, the job of probation is to assess risk of reoffending. Not to placate victims, sadly. And I am a victim, hence my personal experience.

If we don't believe these kinds of offenders can be rehabilitated, and I share your doubts, then we need much larger prisons. And taxes need to rise for that.

But we also need to recognise that whether or not this offender was deported is a separate question and his immigration status, via Italy it seems, is complex. Also deporting a violent offender doesn't solve an issue, it just moves it.

I just wish all the people up in arms at violent immigrants were as bothered about British men who commit VAWG, and there are an awful lot of them too.

How would screening have assisted here?

So what?

Plenty of people move to countries they have never been to before, on that logic we'd never send anyone to Prison "oh but they ve never been there before".

Had he been deported originally, this poor woman (the victim is ALWAYS forgotten in these discussions) wouldn't have been raped and had her life turned upside down, potentially something she will never get over.

Indeed. As he had his formative years growing up in the UK, it's likely that it's our culture who has at least had an influence on his behaviour than anything else. This is not an argument about growing up in misogynistic cultures abroad but what we grow here, what we put up with here.

That's what I think people are missing.

We must always ensure the rapist’s human rights are upheld.

The victims…ehh.

The Begum case is not comparable. She has no other citizenship except British. This man is not a citizen of Britain but IS a citizen of Nigeria. No other country was obliged to take Begum because she had no other citizenship to enforce that right.

It does demonstrate though how inconsistent the law can be though.

Begum was considered such a threat she could be made stateless. This man at least has another country he can be sent to as he has the right to live there via citizenship.

Oh Please!

Millions of men are bought up here in the UK and do not commit rape, it was in him to commit this crime.

Its not on the UK to sort out citizens of other countries.

I am not sure it’s about culture informing who he is. Some people are born with certain depravaties.

The trouble is when public opinion is constantly put down as 'you really don't know what you're talking about', it comes across as so smug and patronising. That keeps happening on this thread. The public vote is clear, 95% of voters on this thread think Odele should have been deported first time around.
I voted against Brexit and I still think Brexit was a huge mistake but you could see it happened as a protest vote. Most people didn't want Brexit but they felt they were not being listened to. It is the same on this thread. There seem to be a number of posters who are not focusing on this particular case which is the subject of the thread but instead are defending the rapist's right to remain in the UK. THere is a lot of whataboutery, white men rape too. However this thread is about this case. There are posters who are defending Odele's right to remain in the UK. It comes across as foreign criminals cannot be removed from the UK because it is against their wellbeing, rapist or not. There is also a measure of racism that foreign countries such as Nigeria do not have a legal system that can cope with a returned violent rapist and so he should be left in the UK for us to deal with.
This attitude is so unhelpful to everyone. I cannot imagine what his victims would think of the posters arguing that he should be allowed to stay.

I don't want him to stay @Trint. I just recognise it's complicated. I also think it's being weaponised by the far right in a way that's deeply unhelpful. In a way where most of them don't give a crap about women nor VAWG and they're weaponising this because of his race. When they genuinely stand up for all victims of male violence, I'll be more convinced they give a shit.

95% on a female dominated forum shows at least the direction of public opinion.

There is nothing stopping them leaving again, that’s the problem. Quham Babatunde Murdered in Dublin, was deported from Italy for rape, he got on a plane from Nigeria to Ireland and applied for asylum, living in international protection accommodation with no background checks.
It was only after he was murdered, his past crimes investigated and were published.

Exactly, the only opinions that matter are those of the victim.

How many people defending his right to stay in the UK would honestly say the same if their daughter was the victim?

This.

I'm probably one of the posters you're referring to. I don't think people who have lived here from childhood should be considered foreigners as adults. I don't think that we should be sent to a country we've never known because our DNA is from there. You keep saying that we're defending the rights of the rapist, inferring that the motivation is sympathy for him when that's not the case. It's wanting the law to applied correctly and fairly, because living in countries where the law is dictated by emotion, or people can take the law into their own hands, doesn't end well.

The defence barrister in my daughters sexual assault case was vile & the female judge didn't sentence him to prison on the basis that he was the main earner in his family 😖. So I don't think a ban on male judges would help really.

It is working. I don’t walk in the dark evenings anymore. I make sure DD walks to the school bus with her pals. Not that any of them could defend themselves but don’t want to stop her new independence.

@Birdsongisangry
You write,
I don't think that we should be sent to a country we've never known because our DNA is from there. Referencing Odele being Nigerian
This man was a criminal. He is 24 . He could have applied for British Citizenship at anytime. He chose not to do so. In his heart he was Nigerian or he would have bothered with British citizenship. He has had plenty of time. His mother and presumably lots of relatives are Nigerian. The UK law is quite clear on foreign criminals. Yet, you want to protect him and keep him here. In between his first conviction and the second, did he apply for British citizenship?
Odele wants it all ways and that is not fair. It is completely unfair on his victims.