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EasternStandard · 01/05/2026 13:19

Alittlefrustrated · 01/05/2026 13:12

Agree 100%. It's nothing to do with sympathy for the terrorist (zero here).
Police need to be in control and their responses appropriate to the level of threat. It takes a certain type of peron to kick someone in the head. A stamp to the wrist, for example, would seem more appropriate if trying to disarm.

I think you’re missing information.

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 13:19

Alittlefrustrated · 01/05/2026 13:12

Agree 100%. It's nothing to do with sympathy for the terrorist (zero here).
Police need to be in control and their responses appropriate to the level of threat. It takes a certain type of peron to kick someone in the head. A stamp to the wrist, for example, would seem more appropriate if trying to disarm.

Not this again.

It's reasonable force, not minimal force, and that was eminently reasonable. He was armed, had been stabbing people, was lying on his hands so nobody could stamp on them, and was refusing to show them or drop the weapon (and yes you can do that when tased, the effect only lasts a few seconds each time) and he could easily have had an explosive. Those men were in true danger for their lives and they had to disarm him while keeping their hands free. There is a reason Mark Rowley had to publicly tell Tit Whisperer to stop spouting shit and that's because, Bog help us, he is indeed a political puppet leader albeit a dimwit smokescreen one, and when he talks cobblers, some people will believe him.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 01/05/2026 13:24

Alittlefrustrated · 01/05/2026 13:12

Agree 100%. It's nothing to do with sympathy for the terrorist (zero here).
Police need to be in control and their responses appropriate to the level of threat. It takes a certain type of peron to kick someone in the head. A stamp to the wrist, for example, would seem more appropriate if trying to disarm.

I don’t think anyone is trying to ‘normalise’ this though. This was a terrorist attack, which hopefully will continue to be rare (although I have my doubts). If the police officers were restricted to trying to stamp on his wrist they run the risk of having their ankles or Achilles slashed.

It is very dangerous to hyper focus on each movement carried out by the police in their attempts to subdue this man who has a history of extreme violence. Even a hard bite from a police dog didn’t stop him last time - he is clearly VERY hard to stop. If you start dissecting literally every move in a very high stress situation you are just going to make an extremely hard job almost impossible and even more dangerous for the unarmed police. Would you feel comfortable tackling an armed maniac with a restrictive list of ways you can do it?

If an armed policeman was present he ran a real risk of being shot as he refused to disarm or stop trying to attack. This was all his choice.

Police need to be in control and their responses appropriate to the level of threat.

If you watch the video the kicks were clearly calculated and in control. They were not done in anger but as part of the attempt to subdue.

EasternStandard · 01/05/2026 13:26

@Alittlefrustratedthink about the potential for the man to have an explosive device under the padded jacket and what an unarmed police officer should do in a crowded street.

If you were walking by and that potential was there it’s pretty good they ran towards him even with that threat, don’t you think?

inamarina · 01/05/2026 13:27

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 30/04/2026 22:32

Can I politely suggest that you read your post back with a little bit of self reflection as it really doesn’t come across well.

I’m not sure why you are making judgements on the financial position of posters on this thread (tbh though I wouldn’t live in London for any amount of money).

I found your unironic use of ‘provincial’ quite hilarious and again, what on earth is the relevance of his class to this conversation??

Unfortunately, that's what the Jewish community have received for decades now: gifted NHS London ambulances for their own private ambulance service; support of their own Jewish ethnically based viligante group, the Shomrim.

Have you forgotten why the Jewish run charity (that provides help to anyone who needs) required new ambulances? And ‘vigilante group’?? What evidence do you have for this?

Those of us who actually live in London and pay the taxes that subsidise the population in other regions of the UK..

There’s that self aggrandising again. Still irrelevant.

are a little tired of Jewish community leaders identifying themselves with Israel and demanding special privileges, bans on political marches, bans on political speech, forcing people in council housing to remove flags, etc. However, more than that we're tired of unequal treatment of different groups where the feelings of Jewish people are given greater consideration than those of others.

I can’t believe that you are saying this in all seriousness. Do you honestly think it is ok for the constant protests with occasional violence and overt hostility to Jews - blocking their way to synagogues, abusing and intimidating them in the street is acceptable?

What a revealing post.

Agree. Also funny how they defend the right of 'people in council houses' to display flags.
What flags exactly? And what does it matter what kind of houses those people live in?
Specially since just before that they questioned people’s ability to comment on the situation in London since ‘they couldn’t afford to live there anyway’ 🙄

KatiePricesKnickers · 01/05/2026 13:30

Alittlefrustrated · 01/05/2026 13:12

Agree 100%. It's nothing to do with sympathy for the terrorist (zero here).
Police need to be in control and their responses appropriate to the level of threat. It takes a certain type of peron to kick someone in the head. A stamp to the wrist, for example, would seem more appropriate if trying to disarm.

You don’t know what you are talking about.

Hoardasurass · 01/05/2026 13:30

Alittlefrustrated · 01/05/2026 13:12

Agree 100%. It's nothing to do with sympathy for the terrorist (zero here).
Police need to be in control and their responses appropriate to the level of threat. It takes a certain type of peron to kick someone in the head. A stamp to the wrist, for example, would seem more appropriate if trying to disarm.

How exactly would you stamp on the wrist of someone who was lying on their arms as this attacker was?
Also the police were in control and their response was proportionate to the threat.
As for a certain type of person whos willing to kick someone in the head that would be the same type of person who is in all of our military and the police because its a standard tactic
Honestly you clearly haven't got a clue about the levels and types of force that can and should be used to apprehended a violent dangerous terrorist who might have a suicide vest. If they were armed he would have been shot in the head

HairsprayBabe · 01/05/2026 13:34

I think we can all say seeing someone being kicked in the head is (and should be) shocking.

But then your brain catches up and you go oh yes this is why the head kicking was happening.

When I first saw the clip I thought it was a bit much, but I didn't know he was still armed at that point.

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 13:35

If the guy had had an explosive on his back or around his waist, kicking it would be suicide, and as PPs have explained, stamping on a hand clutching a knife that's still dripping blood from its last victim a few minutes ago is a good way to get slashed yourself. Even if he did have his hands out for stamping, which he was refusing to do.

I'm an absolute fucking wuss, I'd get pulped if I was ever in a fight, and even I can understand that when you're charged with risking your life to protect the public from an armed, maniac stabber who's refusing to comply with orders and might well have a bomb on him, and all you've got is a taser and truncheon, you're going to have to do stuff that the public doesn't often see (thankfully) and isn't going to enjoy witnessing. Doesn't matter. It was entirely necessary, it's the reality of subduing violent criminals, and thank God they did it. They could have been stabbed or blown up for all they knew, give them all medals the size of bin lids. Heroes.

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 13:41

Whatifitallgoesright · 01/05/2026 08:37

Mark Rowley has written to Zack Polanski

Dear Zack,
I was disappointed to have seen your recent post on X amplifying a post that Met officers were "repeatedly and violently kicking a mentally ill man in the head when he was already incapacitated by taser".
I am disappointed because it is this kind of inaccurate and misinformed commentary – with its associated casual disregard for the incredibly challenging and dangerous work police officers do to protect the public – that is contributing to the rising tensions we are seeing in society and undermines officer confidence to act.
It is entirely possible the author of the post you retweeted had direct experience from the scene, or has years of experience handling complex, violent situation. Yet I suspect the more likely scenario is that they another armchair critic, who thinks they could do the job, possibly more effectively than the brave officers who successfully detained that individual.
Those officers are nothing short of extraordinary. They were on the scene within a few minutes, and their actions undoubtedly prevented further injury and saved lives. As I said yesterday the officers confronted a dangerous man, they believed to be a terrorist, who refused to show his hands, who was violent, and who continued to pose a clear threat. They were not armed officers, and they feared he was concealing an explosive device.
Using only their training, equipment and a substantial level of bravery and courage, they detained him while he continued to try and attack and stab them. Without their efforts to stop him I dread to think what the outcome could have been.
Apprehending violent and dangerous criminals is a full contact and messy task which may appear shocking to observers with little experience of policing in the real world.
London’s Jewish communities are scared. They have experienced a series of targeted attacks on the community, and they expect out officers to act, protect them. That is exactly what our officers did yesterday. Your decision to criticise these officers, using your public profile and reach will have a chilling effect.
Officers need to know that when they act to protect Londoners decisively, they will be supported. Officers know they must be accountable for their use of force and there areprocesses for this to happen. Your use of your public profile to call their actions into question, hours after a terrorist incident is not the appropriate route.
Free speech is an important facet of a democratic society. We both agree on that. But against a backdrop of global instability and heightened tensions, the right approach in this situation is to show compassion, lower tensions and not inflame them further by amplifying more ‘us and them’ rhetoric.
We have significantly stepped up our activity across the capital in recent weeks, and in the hours and days following the attack in Golders Green three weeks ago we have seen communities come together to reject hatred and violence.
That solidarity matters, and at this moment we need politicians and community leaders to be at the forefront of it, not only condemning the horrific attacks but by taking leadership in confronting antisemitism and permissive rhetoric, lowering tensions and backing those who are willing to step in to protect the public and reassure the public.

What a great a measured response by MR. ZP has no other motive here than to undermine society and authority figures in it, he’s a manipulative megalomaniac seeking to push a total disruption to societal norms and values. He’s basically Trump with a different colour rosette. How can people not see this, he makes Farage appear a centralist. He’s dangerous to this country’s values because he doesn’t respect them. He’s willing to throw his hat in with anyone else who disrespects this country’s culture norms and values - even if that groups own norms and values are diametrically opposite to those he claims to stand for,strange bedfellows indeed. He’s arrogant enough to think that ultimately he will win out over them too, but he’s mistaken, eventually he’ll find out he’s a patsy and disposable.

EasternStandard · 01/05/2026 13:41

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 13:35

If the guy had had an explosive on his back or around his waist, kicking it would be suicide, and as PPs have explained, stamping on a hand clutching a knife that's still dripping blood from its last victim a few minutes ago is a good way to get slashed yourself. Even if he did have his hands out for stamping, which he was refusing to do.

I'm an absolute fucking wuss, I'd get pulped if I was ever in a fight, and even I can understand that when you're charged with risking your life to protect the public from an armed, maniac stabber who's refusing to comply with orders and might well have a bomb on him, and all you've got is a taser and truncheon, you're going to have to do stuff that the public doesn't often see (thankfully) and isn't going to enjoy witnessing. Doesn't matter. It was entirely necessary, it's the reality of subduing violent criminals, and thank God they did it. They could have been stabbed or blown up for all they knew, give them all medals the size of bin lids. Heroes.

I can’t imagine what it’s like to be brave enough to approach him, deal with it then have some armchair critics online lambasting you for it. Well done to MR for sticking up for his police force.

Otherwise that severe threat could see worse on any crowded street. People making us unsafer are the worst.

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 13:51

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 13:35

If the guy had had an explosive on his back or around his waist, kicking it would be suicide, and as PPs have explained, stamping on a hand clutching a knife that's still dripping blood from its last victim a few minutes ago is a good way to get slashed yourself. Even if he did have his hands out for stamping, which he was refusing to do.

I'm an absolute fucking wuss, I'd get pulped if I was ever in a fight, and even I can understand that when you're charged with risking your life to protect the public from an armed, maniac stabber who's refusing to comply with orders and might well have a bomb on him, and all you've got is a taser and truncheon, you're going to have to do stuff that the public doesn't often see (thankfully) and isn't going to enjoy witnessing. Doesn't matter. It was entirely necessary, it's the reality of subduing violent criminals, and thank God they did it. They could have been stabbed or blown up for all they knew, give them all medals the size of bin lids. Heroes.

Yes this 100% how dare that absolute knob head ZP criticise people risking their lives in order to save others. Imagine what he’d do to the defence budget and how he would treat our soldiers. Well to be honest he would be gone within months of being Elected, the Deputy for the Greens would take over. Mothin Ali, the guy who defended the Oct 7 Attacks. The guy who is encouraging suspended Green Party Members to fight their suspension, presumably because he doesn’t see their actions as a problem. Even former Green Party leadership members are labelling the Green Party as dangerous to society.

In what world are people supporting the Green Party.

DrinkPupKitDrink · 01/05/2026 13:53

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 13:41

What a great a measured response by MR. ZP has no other motive here than to undermine society and authority figures in it, he’s a manipulative megalomaniac seeking to push a total disruption to societal norms and values. He’s basically Trump with a different colour rosette. How can people not see this, he makes Farage appear a centralist. He’s dangerous to this country’s values because he doesn’t respect them. He’s willing to throw his hat in with anyone else who disrespects this country’s culture norms and values - even if that groups own norms and values are diametrically opposite to those he claims to stand for,strange bedfellows indeed. He’s arrogant enough to think that ultimately he will win out over them too, but he’s mistaken, eventually he’ll find out he’s a patsy and disposable.

Yes, absolutely I'm so glad that others can see it too.

HarrietPierce · 01/05/2026 13:56

Bertiebiscuit · Today 08:58
"Frankly if there is a murderous lunatic man trying to stab and kill others on our streets the police can kick him anywhere they like"

He should never have been discharged from the psychiatric hospital. It's a failure of the mental health services.

DrinkPupKitDrink · 01/05/2026 13:57

Alittlefrustrated · 01/05/2026 13:12

Agree 100%. It's nothing to do with sympathy for the terrorist (zero here).
Police need to be in control and their responses appropriate to the level of threat. It takes a certain type of peron to kick someone in the head. A stamp to the wrist, for example, would seem more appropriate if trying to disarm.

FFS RTFT

Lalgarh · 01/05/2026 14:00

The way this is framed it's setting the scene for "it wasn't anti semitic at all"

https://nitter.net/I_amMukhtar/status/2050177953560977719#m

Last week when John Ashby was sentenced for the racially aggravated rape of a Sikh woman, it also highlighted his history of mental health problems and attempts on other women of other backgrounds. So BC he wasn't exclusively attacking (who he thought were) Muslims it doesn't mean this one was either ?

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 14:02

HarrietPierce · 01/05/2026 13:56

Bertiebiscuit · Today 08:58
"Frankly if there is a murderous lunatic man trying to stab and kill others on our streets the police can kick him anywhere they like"

He should never have been discharged from the psychiatric hospital. It's a failure of the mental health services.

Quite, but he was, and the officers on the ground had to stop him running around stabbing people, risking their own lives to do so, and that's what was necessary. We can pontificate now, but they were a bit busy for that.

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 14:04

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 12:22

Not enough to do a bit of throat clearing over it. They need to kick these people out and make strong statements against it - none of this slimy "perception" of unsafety stuff (that aged well, didn't it, Dave?) - and then act with it.

But they won't. Mothin Ali is now urging people to sue the party over the suspensions. What priorities does that show?

Yes we need to broaden out this discussion to include Mothin Ali because ZP is likely being used as a patsy to hide him.

The guy defended the Oct 7 attacks

on being elected as local councillor he said “ “Allahu Akbar” in his acceptance speech - when criticised he claimed Islamaphobia despite knowing the phrases connotations in the West.

He has been been investigated by the Green Party

He is telling those suspended by the Green Party to sue (because, Pressumably he doesn’t think they’ve done anything wrong)

He refused to pledge his support to LGBT causes

We need to be careful to not concentrate everything on Zach we need to check up on the people round him too.

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 14:07

DrinkPupKitDrink · 01/05/2026 13:53

Yes, absolutely I'm so glad that others can see it too.

I just don’t understand how people can’t see it.its so obvious! If people can’t see it, I suggest they look at the 1979 Iranian Revolution

HarrietPierce · 01/05/2026 14:11

We are not hearing much about the first person he stabbed in South East London before the Golders Green stabbings - Ishmael Hussein - a Muslim.

Hoardasurass · 01/05/2026 14:12

Well even the greens have realised that they've gone to far with the open antisemitism but are trying to say that all parties are as bad as them, yet no other party has had 2 candidates arrested for their antisemitic hate speach tweets as happened with 2 green candidates this week

Gift token for the telegraph article
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/e28ac83ce2ec6199

Polanski’s party turns on him over Golders Green row

Greens round on leader after he retweets social media post criticising treatment of attack suspect by police

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/e28ac83ce2ec6199

EasternStandard · 01/05/2026 14:13

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 14:07

I just don’t understand how people can’t see it.its so obvious! If people can’t see it, I suggest they look at the 1979 Iranian Revolution

Those images of free women celebrating 😢

HarrietPierce · 01/05/2026 14:13

So a muslim and 2 Jews but we are only hearing about the latter.

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 14:20

HarrietPierce · 01/05/2026 14:13

So a muslim and 2 Jews but we are only hearing about the latter.

It's in the news reports of his court appearance and charging, what are you jabbering about? First you complain about the necessary means to apprehend him, then you jump to mental health services, now this? What exactly is your complaint?

HarrietPierce · 01/05/2026 14:22

ThatCyanCat
"What exactly is your complaint?"

Perhaps you could work it out

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