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ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 14:24

HarrietPierce · 01/05/2026 14:22

ThatCyanCat
"What exactly is your complaint?"

Perhaps you could work it out

No, I can't. State it explicitly.

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 14:24

HarrietPierce · 01/05/2026 14:13

So a muslim and 2 Jews but we are only hearing about the latter.

No we’ve heard that he also tried to stab his flatmate and friend of 20 years who happened to be Muslim. Everyone with a brain cell can tell the difference between this and the attacks on two people because of they are Jewish. The former has nothing to do with ethnicity or religion and likely fuelled through personal circumstances the latter is a hate fuelled anti semitic crime. As I said anyone can tell the difference so stop trying to undermine the anti semitism that underlies this.

Hoardasurass · 01/05/2026 14:24

HarrietPierce · 01/05/2026 14:13

So a muslim and 2 Jews but we are only hearing about the latter.

A Muslim that was known to him for quite some time and 2 random Jewish men for being Jewish.
So he attacked a friend right before he went out and started a racially motivated stabbing spree.
Can you honestly not see the difference between trying to stab a friend who may well have been trying to prevent the terrorist attack and a terrorist attack

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:26

HarrietPierce · 01/05/2026 14:11

We are not hearing much about the first person he stabbed in South East London before the Golders Green stabbings - Ishmael Hussein - a Muslim.

Ishmael Hussein is not a name that the media would like to frame as a victim.

Theonebutnotonly · 01/05/2026 14:27

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 30/04/2026 21:11

Gosh, so many people on this thread that have direct experience of facing down an armed terrorist attempting to kill multiple people! What are the odds?

Please do share your expertise and explain how you would have taken him down without a bruise or a scratch.

And got the knife away from him.

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:28

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 14:24

No, I can't. State it explicitly.

Did you also ask the OP to be explicit about which group she calls a culture of hatred?

oopsBSoD · 01/05/2026 14:28

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:26

Ishmael Hussein is not a name that the media would like to frame as a victim.

What's your point? do you have any intetest in talking about antisemitism in the green party? Or antisemitism at all?

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 14:29

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:28

Did you also ask the OP to be explicit about which group she calls a culture of hatred?

What are you trying to deflect from?

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:30

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 14:29

What are you trying to deflect from?

No deflection, just pointing out irony.

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 14:30

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:26

Ishmael Hussein is not a name that the media would like to frame as a victim.

As we were saying, anyone can tell the difference between a stabbing of a person that was well known to the offender for 20 years (who happened to be Muslim) and two Men who were stabbed because they were Jewish. - surely you can see the difference- the media have reported widely on this and it was clearly set out in court so what are you going on about? The terrorist incident was against the Jewish community. A Muslim man, who hopefully was trying to stop his friend of 20 years from carrying out the attack was attacked earlier in the day.

I cannot believe you honestly can’t see where the line is drawn here!

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 14:31

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:30

No deflection, just pointing out irony.

It's very clearly deflection.

Harriet admits that she has a point, but she won't say what it is. Don't you want to know what it is?

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 14:32

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:28

Did you also ask the OP to be explicit about which group she calls a culture of hatred?

Not this again, anti semites -we have established this over and over again.

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:34

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 14:32

Not this again, anti semites -we have established this over and over again.

I thought you pretended not to understand my post? So you now understand it?

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:35

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 14:31

It's very clearly deflection.

Harriet admits that she has a point, but she won't say what it is. Don't you want to know what it is?

Don't you want to know what the OP meant by a culture of hatred?

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 14:36

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:35

Don't you want to know what the OP meant by a culture of hatred?

I presume antisemitism. Seems pretty obvious.

So, enough with the deflection. Don't you want to know what Harriet is saying? Or do you know already? Tell us.

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:41

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 14:36

I presume antisemitism. Seems pretty obvious.

So, enough with the deflection. Don't you want to know what Harriet is saying? Or do you know already? Tell us.

Edited

Seems pretty obvious.

Well, no because she said 'they all hate you', 'I am guessing (and happy to be told I am wrong) you were on the side of Palestine?' 'A culture of hatred'.

So she does not mean anti-Semites unless you think all Palestinians are anti-Semites.

You'll need to speak to Harriet yourself, I'm not your facilitator.

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 14:45

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:41

Seems pretty obvious.

Well, no because she said 'they all hate you', 'I am guessing (and happy to be told I am wrong) you were on the side of Palestine?' 'A culture of hatred'.

So she does not mean anti-Semites unless you think all Palestinians are anti-Semites.

You'll need to speak to Harriet yourself, I'm not your facilitator.

Edited

If you're not happy with what OP said, ask her about it. I wasn’t part of that discussion but it sounds like you were, and you'd now rather deflect to it than address the current subject, which is rich coming from someone making comments about irony.

Enough deflection. If you don't know what point Harriet is trying to make, one does wonder why you're so desperately trying to throw a dead cat rather than let her answer, but at any rate I'm sure she can reply if she wants to.

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:45

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ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 14:47

nomas edited their answer while I was replying to it, but it's just a dead cat anyway so it doesn't matter.

Harriet, you can speak. You admit to having a point, so surely you won't mind stating it. We can still see it between nomas' dead cats.

Everlore · 01/05/2026 14:47

I hope you will forgive me for sharing a couple of posts I submitted to another thread on this subject, but I feel they are relevant to this discussion too and I am too lazy to make the same point in different words. Firstly is my response to those claiming that the Greens can't be anti-semitic since they have a Jewish leader.
The issue is that people like Polanski think they can protect themselves from anti-semitism by cosying up to the anti-semites and trying to prove to them that they are a 'good Jew', which, for the purposes of some elements of the Green Party and their ilk means not speaking out against blatant anti-semitism, just nodding and smiling politely when your 'mates' insist that Jews are responsible for all the world's ills and agreeing that all this 'so-called anti-semitism' is just 'legitimate criticism of Israel' and that Jews expressing fear for their safety are making a fuss over nothing. As we all know, making comments to British Jews about bringing back gas chambers and what a great man Hitler was are definitely 'legitimate criticism of Israel' and not absolutely vile pure racism.
When people like Polanski pal up with the anti-semites to prove they are not one of those 'evil genocidal Jews', they think they are making themselves safer. However, these self-hating Jews and apologists for anti-semitism should always remember that their new mates still hate them, because they are, in fact, rampant anti-semites. These racists are only tolerating Polanski as a useful idiot so they can say:
"See, I know that are party is rife with people making awful comments online that reek of Jew-hatred but we're not anti-semitic, honest. How could we be when we have an actual real-life Jew for a leader?"
Polanski, when you've done throwing your fellow Jews under the bus to placate your fellow party members, please don't forget to many of them you will always be a 'filthy Jew', no matter how useful a smoke-screen for their bigotry you are currently providing.
Polanski is by no means the first and will, sadly, not be the last, to think that sucking up to the bullies who want to harm them will protect them in some way.
Polanski may wish to heed the cautionary tale of the French Jewish novelist Irène Némirovsky who thought by writing anti-semitic articles for far-right publications and distancing herself from her Jewish roots she could placate the nazis who wanted her dead. She sadly discovered she was quite wrong when she was murdered at Auschwitz in 1942. It turns out the Nazis still hated her because of her race and still very much wanted her dead when she had outlived her usefulness.

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:47

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 14:45

If you're not happy with what OP said, ask her about it. I wasn’t part of that discussion but it sounds like you were, and you'd now rather deflect to it than address the current subject, which is rich coming from someone making comments about irony.

Enough deflection. If you don't know what point Harriet is trying to make, one does wonder why you're so desperately trying to throw a dead cat rather than let her answer, but at any rate I'm sure she can reply if she wants to.

Similarly, if you're not happy with what Harriet said, why are you expecting me to be your interlocutor and ask her questions on your behalf? Ask her yourself.

I'm pointing out the irony and hypocrisy.

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:49

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 14:47

nomas edited their answer while I was replying to it, but it's just a dead cat anyway so it doesn't matter.

Harriet, you can speak. You admit to having a point, so surely you won't mind stating it. We can still see it between nomas' dead cats.

I edited my post to add the line below, to address your question about Harriet. Not sure why you're reframing it as nefarious.

You'll need to speak to Harriet yourself, I'm not your facilitator.

Whysnothingsimple · 01/05/2026 14:49

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:34

I thought you pretended not to understand my post? So you now understand it?

But I’ve just given you the same answer, glad it finally clicks❤️

ThatCyanCat · 01/05/2026 14:49

nomas · 01/05/2026 14:47

Similarly, if you're not happy with what Harriet said, why are you expecting me to be your interlocutor and ask her questions on your behalf? Ask her yourself.

I'm pointing out the irony and hypocrisy.

Because I'm foolishly responding to your transparent dead cat deflections away from Harriet. I'll stop now.

Harriet? Come on.

NoisyGreyPoster · 01/05/2026 14:51

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Why do you do this on every single thread on antisemitism? Why is no one allowed to talk about antisemitism on mumsnet without you derailing and deflecting?

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